Scott Summers: Cyclops Appreciation 2019

[TheCape]

Fun Fact about me: I enjoyed Morrison’s run. Is it blasphemous?

Some people loved it, some people hated it, especially because in many ways it was the last "great" X-Men, mostly for not being riddled with croosovers and being under Morrison creative control (mostly, editiorial didn't let him get away with everything).

For me, i'm a middle ground, i enjoyed some aspects of it, but i wasn't fond of certain direction that he took with the characthers.

[BitParallel]

With consideration to the fact that he developed the complex after bonding with Apocalypse, I'm not sure it has much to do with his past. I'm pretty sure it was more aligned to his self confidence and overall view of himself.

I think as long as we avoid relationship drama, it might be okay to continue discussion. I think that's where it becomes a repeatedly beaten horse.

The past shapes the person and their self-esteem.After the apocalypse possession , Cyclops started questioning his marriage, love life and his whole life, basically. When he wanted to sexually express himself, he couldn’t get to break the image he had placed on Jean. He thought he was tainted/messed up and she was the ultimate pure girl.

Yup, no relationship drama. Just Cyclops mental state. I promise (:

[BitParallel]

Some people loved it, some people hated it, especially because in many ways it was the last "great" X-Men, mostly for not being riddled with croosovers and being under Morrison creative control (mostly, editiorial didn't let him get away with everything).

For me, i'm a middle ground, i enjoyed some aspects of it, but i wasn't fond of certain direction that he took with the characthers.

The only thing I wasn’t a fan of was the horrendous art.

[oldscottsummers]

AU or something Scott did marry Emma

Was The Best Summers aka Ruby born out of wedlock?

[TheCape]

The only thing I wasn’t a fan of was the horrendous art.

Gary Frank's issue were....not very good, i did like Jimenez issues though.

[TheDeadSpace]

The past shapes the person and their self-esteem.After the apocalypse possession , Cyclops started questioning his marriage, love life and his whole life, basically. When he wanted to sexually express himself, he couldn’t get to break the image he had placed on Jean. He thought he was tainted/messed up and she was the ultimate pure girl.

Yup, no relationship drama. Just Cyclops mental state. I promise (:

True, but it's never explained what Apocalypse did to make Scott question everything. He seemed to regress after Apocalypse's influence. Old insecurities seemed to be brought back up. I feel the lack of exploration on the possession limits the ability to clarify the root of the problem. Was it Scott actually maturing or was it just Apocalypse playing on his insecurities? Personally, I think it's the latter.

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

Chill ~
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Therein, I wasn’t dissing Cyclops.

For the sake of fairness, pretty much every single x-dude has a Madonna-Whore complex and yet you singled out Cyke with a "lel" thrown in for good measure. Surely you'd concede it kinda looked... not particularly "appreciative"?

That’s right. Jean wouldn’t have read his mind without the rapport though. She wouldn’t invade his private thoughts without his consent right?

I can't quite figure if that's a joke, a joke or a joke.

AU or something Scott did marry Emma

Yep. Then Jean... I'm sorry, the Phoenix showed up and killed Emma, lol.

Was The Best Summers aka Ruby born out of wedlock?

Could be. Heck, PAD didn't even mention Ruby's mother by name. Forget about the relationship status specifics.

[PrezValentine]

Good point, what's a good change of topic? How about, how does Scott get his eye back, or is he just going to grow his hair out and go with a new look?

He's going to let the moustache grow, take some sword classes with dad and start using an eye-patch. It's uphill until he gets killed by a nameless-buff-muslim dude.

[BitParallel]

Gary Frank's issue were....not very good, i did like Jimenez issues though.

I am not familiar with the artists names. I just remember not enjoying the art.

True, but it's never explained what Apocalypse did to make Scott question everything. He seemed to regress after Apocalypse's influence. Old insecurities seemed to be brought back up. I feel the lack of exploration on the possession limits the ability to clarify the root of the problem. Was it Scott actually maturing or was it just Apocalypse playing on his insecurities? Personally, I think it's the latter.

That is not how I interpreted Scott’s behaviour after the possession. After he was separated, Scott realised that he wasn’t the old him anymore. He felt changed, and he wanted to change but was afraid of losing Jean.
I like the ambiguity of the whole thing actually, because we all get to interpret and analyse how we want. I haven’t had such a long in-depth discussion about a character for a while now. This is dope.

[TheDeadSpace]

He's going to let the moustache grow, take some sword classes with dad and start using an eye-patch. It's uphill until he gets killed by a nameless-buff-muslim dude.

So, that's going to be his new upgraded power. The pornstache... Truth be told, Scott becoming a space pirate for a while wouldn't be so bad. Unless of course he comes across a blonde bounty hunter wearing armor.

I am not familiar with the artists names. I just remember not enjoying the art.

That is not how I interpreted Scott’s behaviour after the possession. After he was separated, Scott realised that he wasn’t the old him anymore. He felt changed, and he wanted to change but was afraid of losing Jean.
I like the ambiguity of the whole thing actually, because we all get to interpret and analyse how we want. I haven’t had such a long in-depth discussion about a character for a while now. This is dope.

True, the ambiguity allows for open discussion. I just find it slightly upsetting that Scott's ptsd never received much attention. Especially due to its large ramifications.

While he might have realized a need for change, I'm not sure it was a great decision to make after spending time with Apocalypse. Those changes couldn't have been for the better, especially with the undertones left at the end of the search for Cyclops. He definitely needed counseling if he thought his life needed changes after advice from an enemy.

[TheCape]

So, that's going to be his new upgraded power. The pornstache... Truth be told, Scott becoming a space pirate for a while wouldn't be so bad. Unless of course he comes across a blonde bounty hunter wearing armor.

Deadshot would envy Scott stache for sure.

[BitParallel]

For the sake of fairness, pretty much every single x-dude has a Madonna-Whore complex and yet you singled out Cyke with a "lel" thrown in for good measure. Surely you'd concede it kinda looked... not particularly "appreciative"?

Name me another character that has a Madonna-Whore complex?
And btw; I was concluding since the discussion was about Scott not marrying Emma. So why would I say “everyone in the Xmen suffer from Madonna- Whore complex”

I can't quite figure if that's a joke, a joke or a joke.

/s

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

Name me another character that has a Madonna-Whore complex?

Basically everyone but Xavier (oh, Bendis) and Forge back in the 80s? The x-dudes haven't exactly been lining up to marry the "bad girls".

[TheDeadSpace]

Deadshot would envy Scott stache for sure.

He'd probably kill for the stache.

[BitParallel]

True, the ambiguity allows for open discussion. I just find it slightly upsetting that Scott's ptsd never received much attention. Especially due to its large ramifications.

I’m in total agreement here.

While he might have realized a need for change, I'm not sure it was a great decision to make after spending time with Apocalypse. Those changes couldn't have been for the better, especially with the undertones left at the end of the search for Cyclops. He definitely needed counseling if he thought his life needed changes after advice from an enemy.

I don’t think it was a great idea but I do believe his feelings and the changes were legit but the way he went about it was the wrong way.