I don't think Jason "hates" Bruce or Damian.
Before he died, Jason loved Bruce like a father - and love doesn't vanish this easily.
It also kind of shows in RH:O #27 when Jason initiates the hug.
But being attacked by the best father figure he ever had in life - and then being attacked by the "blood son" - and then being attacked by father and blood son can leave an ugly mark.
This will be hard to fix for Bruce - and Damian will probably never try.
I hate it when "heroes" do bad stuff and don't have to face any consequences.
Being a well-known hero or the son of a well-known hero (as mentioned in another thread I don't consider anyone in the batfamily a hero, but most people would probably label Batman and Co. heroes) shouldn't be a free pass on everything.
Last edited by RedBird; 12-13-2019 at 10:17 AM.
Seeley and King confirmed they'll be returning to write Grayson, so yeah, I think Winnick's definitely writing Jason. It's anniversary time.
I'd argue that at this point is Lobdell the one who did that. Winnick set the foundations but it was Lobdell who ultimately succeeded.
Anyways, solicits are out. The untitled are back, retconning more from Tynion's run.
RED HOOD: OUTLAW #44
written by SCOTT LOBDELL
art and cover by PAOLO PANTALENA
variant cover by PHILIP TAN
When tracking down an ancient evil that can hide in anyone, Red Hood and his Outlaws have to surreptitiously sniff out their enemy by similarly hiding in plain sight…Are you ready for the Outlaws to go undercover? The Untitled are unlike any foe they’ve ever faced, so if the Outlaws are going to win, they’re going to need to improvise!
ON SALE 03.25.20
$3.99 US | 32 PAGES
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And the Unkillables #2 solicit confirms Jason teaming up with Cassandra.
DCEASED: UNKILLABLES #2
written by TOM TAYLOR
art by KARL MOSTERT and TREVOR SCOTT
cover by HOWARD PORTER
card stock variant cover by FRANCESCO MATTINA
horror movie homage card stock variant cover by BEN OLIVER
With the world ending around them, Red Hood and Batgirl take shelter in the most unlikely place: an orphanage full of children! Will they be able to protect the kids from the impending hordes of the infected streaming out of Gotham City and Blüdhaven? And elsewhere, Deathstroke, Vandal Savage, and some of DC’s worst villains battle the apocalypse out as an “Anti-Suicide Squad.” But a certain wondrous woman may not let them have it their own way!
ON SALE 03.18.20
$4.99 US | 2 OF 3 | 48 PAGES
CARD STOCK COVERS $5.99 US
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Last edited by Dark_Tzitzimine; 12-13-2019 at 10:54 AM.
I get what you're saying, but it's not a matter of 'at this point' though, I'm not going by the amount, or variations of development. Lobdell has definitely given Jason the much needed development he needed, and further shaped his character, not arguing against that, I know, I agree.
It's why I said Winick 'defined' Jason. To define is to outline, to set the limit. Jason's character, his wit, his voice, his morality, his personality were all set by Winick. Lobdell has used those definitions to shape Jason even further, to some extent, redefined him, if you will. But when all is said and done, he wouldn't even be the character he is today and exist as he does without Winicks writing.
Winick pretty much created the adult version of Jason.
With all that said though, (assuming Winick is returning for Jason in this book) I honestly wonder how his Jason will feel now in comparison to Rebirth Jason. Jason now in some ways is just, so much more open than he was with Winick, much more open to other people, expressing emotions in a healthy way, expressing empathy. And in some ways, he is also more reserved now. Not quite as dramatic about getting his way, a little insecure and much more humbled by his past actions. Though, maybe the story he chooses to write will just be set around the UTRH era? *shrugs*.
EDIT: The solicit for that Robin anniversary names quite a few writers followed by 'and others'. I wonder if Lobdell will be part of those 'others'.
Last edited by RedBird; 12-13-2019 at 12:13 PM.
Yay! but also, uh oh. Wasn't this the script that Tom Taylor described as 'so messed up'.
I'm not liking the odds for the fate of those orphans.
Cool to see Pantalena still on the book, though with that solicit at first I thought it sounded kinda generic, but on further inspection...
Don't suppose this will have something to do with Essence like the cover on #43 implied? Maybe trapping her caused havoc with the Untitled.
Also, is that why Isabel is on the cover of #43 reaching for the sword whilst Artemis and Biz hold Jason back? Is she going to be one of the first characters we see being controlled by, 'an ancient evil that can hide in anyone'.