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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergard View Post
    Would love to see more things like this in general.

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    How old was Pre Crisis Jason when he first appeared?
    Dick was in Hudson so he's at least 18

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    How old was Pre Crisis Jason when he first appeared?
    Dick was in Hudson so he's at least 18
    10-12 I want to say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackalope89 View Post
    10-12 I want to say?
    and since he died at 15 I'm gonna assume Post Crisis Jason began at 12?

    What's the consensus on Willis Todd? The degree of abuse and who we work for can vary depending on continuity but being a criminal and abusive is a consistent characterization?

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    I believe so, though the level of abuse varies.

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    As an addition, I like the idea that Willis regrets a lot of things he's done later in life and acted as Jason's secret supporter or protector in an attempt to make amends as long as the narrative makes it clear that this doesn't excuse him. How did that story go? Interrupted by Year of The Villains?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    As an addition, I like the idea that Willis regrets a lot of things he's done later in life and acted as Jason's secret supporter or protector in an attempt to make amends as long as the narrative makes it clear that this doesn't excuse him. How did that story go? Interrupted by Year of The Villains?
    More like Lobdell planting a seed he plans to revist sometime down the road. Whether or not he gets to do it though is TBD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    and since he died at 15 I'm gonna assume Post Crisis Jason began at 12?

    What's the consensus on Willis Todd? The degree of abuse and who we work for can vary depending on continuity but being a criminal and abusive is a consistent characterization?
    Not really. The abusive thing is something Lobdell come up with which I'm personally never been fan of (honestly, Jason's origin in n52 was really terrible).

    Willis in post-crisis was apparently a medical student (which probably where he met Sheila) before he dropped his studies and become a low life criminal. He worked for Two face before he got betrayed by him and Jason thought that he abonden them until he find out that he was dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    and since he died at 15 I'm gonna assume Post Crisis Jason began at 12?

    What's the consensus on Willis Todd? The degree of abuse and who we work for can vary depending on continuity but being a criminal and abusive is a consistent characterization?
    I think that the 12yo bit for post-Crisis came from a letter to one of the writers.

    I think the abusive part wasn't a thing until Lobdell's first run? Same as the drugs and Catherine. But maybe that part was mentioned before, in some batman comic.

    To be honest, I think that pre-Crisis Jason was a bit older than post-Crisis. Maybe more childlike, but a year or so older. It's a feel he gives me.
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    Is Rocafort back on the title? Or is Messina the new ongoing artist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowcat View Post
    Is Rocafort back on the title? Or is Messina the new ongoing artist?
    Rocafort is for 3 issues, I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sergard View Post
    Look what I have found on instagram (source):

    According to Lobdell, Artemis is getting her hair back and Bizarro's beard stays.

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    How can it be sooner than I expect when it is already later than I want? God I can't fucking wait to see dark trinity reunite and share what they have been up to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Restingvoice View Post
    How old was Pre Crisis Jason when he first appeared?
    Dick was in Hudson so he's at least 18
    Pre Crisis he was 12 in his first appearence (it is iirc one the first page he appears on).
    And by time Dick passed the mantle of Robin on to Jason he was allready 19.

    Jason being 15 when he died, is never mentioned in the comics, and imo doesn't really work with the timeline. Since he was proably with Bruce for only 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    Pre Crisis he was 12 in his first appearence (it is iirc one the first page he appears on).
    And by time Dick passed the mantle of Robin on to Jason he was allready 19.

    Jason being 15 when he died, is never mentioned in the comics, and imo doesn't really work with the timeline. Since he was proably with Bruce for only 2 years.
    It could work, if his 13th birthday happened shortly after coming into Bruce’s care.

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