Jason Todd: Robin, Red Hood, Arkham Knight Appreciation 2019

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Who do you think?

[Zaresh]

Who do you think?

With how lucky we tend to be, Bizarro is losing his awesome beard. I hope I'm wrong, I love bearded supes.

[Arsenal]

With how lucky we tend to be, Bizarro is losing his awesome beard. I hope I'm wrong, I love bearded supes.

#ProtectBeardedBiz

[Aahz]

If I had to make a guess I'd say that the number of sold copies is more important than the spot in the ranking - although, of course, there is a correlation.
I clicked through different months on comichron. For comparison:
November 2018: 24,485 copies sold, rank 83
September 2017: 24,376 copies sold, rank 102

These rankings are interesting but I'm still not sure how to "evaluate" the information since there is a lot going on on the comic market.

Although I have to admit, that I had forgotten how low RHatO numbers had been in the past.

But in July 2018 it was down to 18,829 copies sold, rank 109.

[Sergard]

But in July 2018 it was down to 18,829 copies sold, rank 109.

I hope we don't talk past each other.
I only wanted to say that in my opinion, these numbers (sold copies): for example

September 2017: 24,376 copies
July 2018: 18,829 copies
November 2018: 24,485 copies

are more important than these numbers (ranking):

September 2017: rank 102
July 2018: rank 109
November 2018: rank 83

because the number of sold copies is basically only dependent on the popularity of a series and often indicates if a fanbase is growing or shrinking.
The ranking, on the other hand, has more complex parameters and can be very volatile because, for example, of other titles ending/starting, annuals, mini-series', crossover-events, etc.
The ranking doesn't necessarily reflect if a series is doing good or bad.

[Aahz]

@Sergard
I totally agree the totals sales are a far better indicator than the rankings.
Ranking works imo only if you really look which titles are lower and which are higher ranked.

[Sergard]

I haven't forgotten my suggestion to do a Jason Todd re-read, starting with the pre-crisis stuff.

Some points to discuss beforehand:

• I could create a separate thread for the re-read stuff. The other thread would still be considered part of this thread. So the appreciation thread rules apply.
• I'd suggest that we read issues of "Batman" and "Detective Comics" chronologically and alternating, i.e. we start with Batman #357, then 'Tec #524, Batman #358, 'Tec #525, etc.
  (see list below, I hope everything is correct, 'Tec is a little shorter at the end)
• There are also guest appearances of Jason in Blue Devil, New Teen Titans and Superman Annual. We can skip or read them.
• How often do you want to read an issue? We could read an issue every week or every two weeks, etc.
• I haven't checked yet if Jason has an appearance in all Batman, 'Tec issues listed below but I can check later - and we'll probably notice soon enough beforehand if it's the case or not.
  Do you guys prefer to skip issues without Jason or to read and discuss them nevertheless?

release	Batman	Detective Comics	Guest Appearance
March-83	Batman #357	Detective Comics #524
April-83	Batman #358	Detective Comics #525
May-83	Batman #359	Detective Comics #526
June-83	Batman #360	Detective Comics #527
July-83	Batman #361	Detective Comics #528
August-83	Batman #362	Detective Comics #529
September-83	Batman #363	Detective Comics #530
October-83	Batman #364	Detective Comics #531
November-83	Batman #365	Detective Comics #532
December-83	Batman #366	Detective Comics #533
January-84	Batman #367	Detective Comics #534
February-84	Batman #368	Detective Comics #535
March-84	Batman #369	Detective Comics #536
April-84	Batman #370	Detective Comics #537
May-84	Batman #371	Detective Comics #538
June-84	Batman #372	Detective Comics #539
July-84	Batman #373	Detective Comics #540
August-84	Batman #374	Detective Comics #541
September-84	Batman #375	Detective Comics #542
October-84	Batman #376	Detective Comics #543
November-84	Batman #377	Detective Comics #544
December-84	Batman #378	Detective Comics #545
January-85	Batman #379	Detective Comics #546
February-85	Batman #380	Detective Comics #547
March-85	Batman #381	Detective Comics #548
April-85	Batman #382	Detective Comics #549
May-85	Batman #383	Detective Comics #550
June-85	Batman #384	Detective Comics #551
July-85	Batman #385	Detective Comics #552
August-85	Batman #386	Detective Comics #553	Superman Annual #11
September-85	Batman #387	Detective Comics #554
October-85	Batman #388	Detective Comics #555
November-85	Batman #389	Detective Comics #556
December-85	Batman #390	Detective Comics #557	Blue Devil #19
January-86	Batman #391	Detective Comics #558
February-86	Batman #392	Detective Comics #559
March-86	Batman #393	Detective Comics #560	New Teen Titans #18
April-86	Batman #394	Detective Comics #561	New Teen Titans #19
May-86	Batman #395	Detective Comics #562	New Teen Titans #20
June-86	Batman #396	Detective Comics #563	New Teen Titans #21
July-86	Batman #397	Detective Comics #564	New Teen Titans #22: no Jason
August-86	Batman #398	Detective Comics #565	Batman Annual #10
			New Teen Titans #23: no Jason
September-86	Batman #399	Detective Comics #566
October-86	Batman #400	Detective Comics #567*	New Teen Titans #24
November-86	Batman #401*	Detective Comics #568*	New Teen Titans #25: no Jason
December-86	Batman #402*	Detective Comics #569*	New Teen titans #26
January-87	Batman #403*	Detective Comics #570*	New Teen titans #27
February-87		Detective Comics #571*	New Teen titans #28
March-87		Detective Comics #572*	New Teen titans #29
April-87		Detective Comics #573*	New Teen titans #30
May-87		Detective Comics #574*	New Teen titans #31

* Officially post-crisis, but story-wise in a grey zone

[Aahz]

Technically Batman #401, is already Post crisis, and #402 and #403 are written by Max Allan Collins and should therefore definitely included in a the post crisis read.

[Sergard]

Technically Batman #401, is already Post crisis, and #402 and #403 are written by Max Allan Collins and should therefore definitely included in a the post crisis read.

Are you sure? I read #402 and #403 in "Batman: Second Chances" and I remember that Batman stated that he has killed in the past (in self-defense). And post-crisis Batman has never killed, or?

[Moandinga]

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So much for my hopes Woods had left the book.

Hello! new user of this forum!
I'm kind of disappointed we are going back with the All-Caste. It's one of my least favorite addition to Jason's story.

[Aahz]

Are you sure? I read #402 and #403 in "Batman: Second Chances" and I remember that Batman stated that he has killed in the past (in self-defense). And post-crisis Batman has never killed, or?

Officially Batman #400 is the last pre crisis Batman story, and Detective Comics #567 is the first post crisis story.

But a lot of the early post crisis stories (imo all Batman issues before Year one and all the TEC issues before Year Two) are continuities wise in a wired spot, they neither really fit into the pre crisis or the post crisis continuity. They are imo kind of filler issues, they published untill they had figured out where they wanted to go with Batman post crisis. And while they have still some pre crisis Elements (like for example they used still pre crisis Catwoman in some early issues of TEC) these comics didn't continue the plot of the pre crisis issues (which tell basically an ongoing story).

[Zaresh]

I could create a separate thread for the re-read stuff. The other thread would still be considered part of this thread. So the appreciation thread rules apply.
I'd suggest that we read issues of "Batman" and "Detective Comics" chronologically and alternating, i.e. we start with Batman #357, then 'Tec #524, Batman #358, 'Tec #525, etc.
(see list below, I hope everything is correct, 'Tec is a little shorter at the end)

I'm ok with these two points.

There are also guest appearances of Jason in Blue Devil, New Teen Titans and Superman Annual. We can skip or read them.

I would love to read them, but some issues can be hard to find. The annual is easy to find in paper, and the NTT has a digital copy as well. But I don't know about the Blue Devil issue: I know that here where I live that's material that hasn't been even published in a hardcover.

Also, The Cult was a mini, so I guess we have the same problem with that one. But that would be very late in the post-Crisis run, so I guess we could figure it out when we reach that point.

How often do you want to read an issue? We could read an issue every week or every two weeks, etc.
I haven't checked yet if Jason has an appearance in all Batman, 'Tec issues listed below but I can check later - and we'll probably notice soon enough beforehand if it's the case or not.
Do you guys prefer to skip issues without Jason or to read and discuss them nevertheless?

One issue every week sounds cool. We can skip the reading when we have a RHATO week, so that the club lasts long and we always have something to discuss. I don't know about skipping issues. Maybe the ones that are flashback arcs, which I think we would have towards the end of Tec.?

[Aahz]

• I'd suggest that we read issues of "Batman" and "Detective Comics" chronologically and alternating, i.e. we start with Batman #357, then 'Tec #524, Batman #358, 'Tec #525, etc.

There is not really much of a point doing it differently, since pre crisis a story that started in an issue of batman usually continued in the next issue of TEC, and the other way around (that changed post crisis).

• How often do you want to read an issue? We could read an issue every week or every two weeks, etc.

Wouldn't it make more sense to read complete story arc (usually 2 to 4 issues) opposed to singe issues?

[Sergard]

Wouldn't it make more sense to read complete story arc (usually 2 to 4 issues) opposed to singe issues?

Maybe. I don't know. I call it "re-read" but in my case it's a "first read" for many issues. I personally like to discuss one issue at a time and theorize what could happen, could have been, could have been done differently, compare pre-crisis Jason with post-crisis Jason etc.
And I still have to buy the issues digitally on readDC - 2 bucks an issue doesn't sound much a week, but paying for a whole story arc at once could maybe add up to a sum per month I don't feel comfortable with. I'm not sure about that.

At this point I just want to hear some opinions from other users so that we have a reading schedule for the start. If the majority decides later on that they want to read faster/slower/an arc at once, etc. we can easily change the schedule. That's no problem.


And thanks for all the info about pre-crisis/post-crisis and that Batman and Detective Comics were intertwined pre-crisis. I didn't know that.

[Sergard]

Hello! new user of this forum!

Welcome to the forum. I hope you have fun here.