"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
Johns doesn't have the time for monthlies anymore.
I don't know much about Fraction, but from what I do know of his history so far, wouldn't he just write Dick like a big joke? That's the opposite of what we need right now.
Star-Spangled Comics.
Grayson was 20, with 3 annuals, and the Futures End tie-in (24 issues in total). Nightwing: The New Order also had 6 issues.
With Rebirth, Nightwing has had two annuals plus the 66 issues, as well as that Magilla Gorilla crossover issue (69 issues so far). New 52 was 30 issues, plus an Annual and #0 (so 32 issues). The original mini-series was 4 issues with a special issue (5 issues). The second series is of course the longest, with 153 regular issues, a #1000000 and a #1/2, as well as two annuals, and then The Flash Plus Nightwing #1, Nightwing Secret Files and Origins #1, the 80-page Giant, Nightwing: Target #1, the World at War tie-in, the Bloodborne tie-in, and the Nightwing/Boomerang #1 tie-in issue to Outsiders (in total, 164 issues). Then, there's the 4 issues of Nightwing/Huntress and two issues of Convergence: Nightwing/Oracle.
So excluding team books and Grayson (simply because the book is not titled Nightwing), as well as Elseworlds stories like New Order, it's 5+164+4+32+2+69, a total of 276 issues with Nightwing in the title starring Dick as Nightwing, of course.
Not necessarily. Fraction's Iron Man wasn't a joke title. He does seem to write a lot of weird books lately but that's not all he's capable of. He'd be a solid fit for Nightwing, I think, but there's no way Didio would put a writer like Fraction on a book like Nightwing.
I mean, Didio probably wouldn't waste Johns on Nightwing either, even if they are at odds with each other, but one can hope.
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
I didn't mean about Dick specifically. I've just heard rumors that there was a bit of a power struggle between them, fighting over the direction of the DCU. Rebirth was very much Johns' baby but once he lost status in the company (or whatever happened) a lot of plans and directions seemed to change pretty quick.
But I don't know what their relationship is like, this is all just rumor. And kinda old rumor at that!
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
I wonder what being the fall guy for the JL bombing did to John's passion for comics, generally speaking. I mean if that happen to you would you love comics as much?
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Interesting fact in the Golden Age Dick Grayson appeared in more comics than Batman
RobinDick had over 200 solo stories in the Star Spangled series and he was the main headliner though technically speaking it was an anthology but Dick was the 1st Robin to carry stories on his own and he had the most issues of Robin stand alone stories.
Last edited by Fergus; 12-08-2019 at 03:29 PM.
I'm sure that anyone who goes from being a fan to working in the industry gets slapped hard by the reality of the business, and taking the blame for a movie's failure that you barely had anything to do with (John didn't get involved until that train wreck was too far gone for anyone to save) likely didn't make him very happy either.
And that whole mess seems to have blown back on him in the comics too. He seems to have been kind of shoved aside, no longer the Golden Boy, seemingly not party to any of the big decisions.
But he's still producing and working on tons of larger media adaptations and still writing a couple books for DC (even if he can't make deadlines). And I'm sure other companies would like to steal him, so whatever happened it doesn't seem to have ruined him on DC completely.
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.
Wait people blame Johns? I thought they blame Whedon?
He’s perfectly capable of writing “serious” stories. I recommend “To Have And To Hold” one of the last Peter/MJ stories before OMD hit. Not only is it a phenomenal book but it also showcases why so many people loved the Spider-Marriage. Fraction can totally do serious stories when he wants to. But honestly since he’s broken into Hollywood I don’t really expect him to take on any ongoing work he doesn’t want to do.
Zack Snyder fans blame Whedon and Johns. WB seems to have shifted some of the blame onto Johns, but they also either fired or pressured into leaving all the Snyder apologists within the company who kept giving him work, so it’s a mix. Johns still probably has some pull given he’s a producer for Titans, is basically the show runner for Stargirl, and is writing a GLC script.
Last edited by Vordan; 12-09-2019 at 09:00 AM.
We don't really know what went down, but it seems that on the corporate level, Johns ended up being something of a scapegoat for WB.
Fans will blame Whedon or Snyder or whoever, depending on their personal tastes, but from the stuff we've heard it seems like WB decided to blame Johns for a lot of what went wrong with the movies, presumably using stuff like the failure of Green Lantern to justify it and keep higher-paid idiots safe from being accountable for their choices.
After JL failed, Johns got kicked off a lot of projects (or so I hear) and his influence in the publishing fell apart. Obviously he's involved with the DCU shows and he's still involved with the movies, but he lost his position as Chief Creative Officer and seems to have been demoted across the board. At one point he was the guy deciding where DC was going (creatively) in comics and in adaptations but now he seems to largely just be an adviser and the big decisions are out of his hands.
I guess. Others have followed this all a lot closer than I have.
"We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another, as if we were one single tribe."
~ Black Panther.