Everybody knew that Grayson was going to be temporary, just like Dickbats was back then and Ric is now. And people forget that the main writers of the book left to do Rebirth stuff?
Everybody knew that Grayson was going to be temporary, just like Dickbats was back then and Ric is now. And people forget that the main writers of the book left to do Rebirth stuff?
But it was cut short. Rebirth moved Seeley and King off the book before they were ready. They had like 50 issues or something planned.
Whether or not you think it was long enough from our perspective is another matter, but the creators weren't done and what has come afterward hasn't been worth losing it even before we got to Ric.
Yeah and Dick supposed to going back to being Nightwing after Bruce came back in "Return of Bruce Wayne," but he was well liked as Batman so DC decided to let him be for one more year.
Sometimes the plan changes for better or worse.
I loved Grayson too and i'll never argue against it's greatness, but i just don't like this ideia that people throw around here that if you like him as Nightwing you're somehow a lesser fan.
I wouldn't say anyone's a lesser fan for liking him as Nightwing in general, but the way that they returned him to Nightwing hasn't been good for the character. It was a decision that was nostalgia driven (for the Dixon days) and once Seeley left, they had no direction, and it's gradually lead to this.
Marrying the Nightwing identity to Agent 37 style stories could have been great. "Better than Batman" and "Nightwing Must Die" are cited as Seeley's best arcs for a reason, but DC editorial prevented that from being the norm because who knows why. Nightwing doesn't have to be a slave to mediocre stories, but he ends up being one all the same. I think the issue people have is that the last time he had a direction he wasn't Nightwing, and we lost it in favor of directionless Nightwing.
I am very curious about the Robin origin that Tynion is writing for Detective Comics #1000.
Will he have him take it in his alien suit?
It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?
Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
-Dick Grayson (Batman Inc.)
Dick and Babs
http://theflyingwonder.tumblr.com/po...-your-day-dick
Dick and Babs
http://preshfinn.tumblr.com/post/182...294/commission
Nightwing
Dick, Kory and Mari
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bt4qmHvh0Am/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlRzpnAnD-R/
Dick, Dami and Bruce
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlDwgtwHPc4/
I don’t think Grayson was designed to be temporary.ibelieve DC hoped it would catch on.
Valentine’s Day Nightwing by Kris Anka
https://twitter.com/kristaferanka/st...676828160?s=20
Lol
I didn't know there was a distinction either until Grayson happened. But apparently some are only down for Dick Grayson when he's dressed a certain way.
I don't know how long what was supposed to last but I'm pretty sure the pettiness and constant complaints did affect Grayson. I know some fan Boycotted the title before it came out because of the change of suit. I saw the people going on about the book being sexist online. All that affects a book.
There are some fans who thing's like the suit, the love interest will be a deal breaker. Many comments and threads on this very site support it. Heck even when Nightwing came back some were still complaining when Seeley said about some of the story playing out outside Bludhaven.
We have discussions about Dick's potential and how DC doesn't want to push Dick but the reality is that a lot of it is down to fans who are unwilling to let the character evolve.
Nightwing as a spy already has the added benefit of being a role different from Batman. I don't know whether he couldn't be a Spy forever but he could have been one longer and Seeley could have been allowed to have a mix of both. Bringing elements of Grayson into Nightwing.
Last edited by dietrich; 02-16-2019 at 01:02 PM.