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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Tom King and Mikel Janín are working on something Grayson related:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B5kraCFh...=1jmr9fkvptql1

    So, does that mean Ric is finally done?
    One can hope so. But it can also be that "Ric" becomes the new status quo for Dick going forward, as part of DiDio's plan to erase that generation to stop his favorite characters from looking "old".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Tom King and Mikel Janín are working on something Grayson related:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B5kraCFh...=1jmr9fkvptql1

    So, does that mean Ric is finally done?
    After the last time King wrote Grayson, I'd rather not, its proven Seeley was criminally underrated on their Grayson run
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    King wrote all of the best issues of Grayson. But I think working with Seeley has shifted his view of the character in a way that was detrimental in the long run.

    If A Once Crowded Sky was really a Dick Grayson story (it totally was) it was a much more nuanced take than the caricaturish and goofy Dick that we often see from King now.

    I will never forget the time King said that Wolfman Dick was written more like Tim. It's the dumbest thing I've ever read on many levels.
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    It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?

    Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
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    King and Janín doing something Grayson. Yes please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    King and Janín doing something Grayson. Yes please.
    Depends on which King shows up. If we get the guy who helped craft Grayson, then absolutely yes (even though it seems Seely was the driving force in that book's quality). If we get the King who's written Dick more recently then hard pass.

    If we get a proper Nightwing out of it, then I may give it a look no matter what. If it's more of this Ric bullsh*t I'm passing on it no matter what.

    Janin however, is welcome regardless.
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    Shooting him in the head was the least of Ric's issues. Its everything that came after. Which King doesn't seem to be a fan of anymore then anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    Shooting him in the head was the least of Ric's issues. Its everything that came after. Which King doesn't seem to be a fan of anymore then anyone else.
    Ric wouldnt have happened if King didnt give DiDio an opening
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    We would have been in a equally bad spot with or without Ric. The problem is the revolving door of creators phoning it in that still would have happened starting with Percy leaving for Hollywood.
    It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?

    Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
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    I kind of doubt it is any kind of series or change in direction. I doubt King is going to work on two different ongoing Batman projects with him already doing Batman and Catwoman. It is probably just a one off. Also King writing Dick without Seeley is a bit concerning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    Shooting him in the head was the least of Ric's issues. Its everything that came after. Which King doesn't seem to be a fan of anymore then anyone else.
    Taking a character you weren't writing and completely derailing their own story and book for some shock value in another title is all on King, especially since he had no clear plan with how he wanted it all to go afterwards. That kind of stuff should never be looked over regardless of what came after. Crap like that is what Dick's character has been plagued with since the New 52. Constantly being jerked around with no consistent direction.

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    Sounds like one of those one-shots in an anthology thing they like doing lately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denirac View Post
    After the last time King wrote Grayson, I'd rather not, its proven Seeley was criminally underrated on their Grayson run
    Nah, I can't get behind that - I like Seeley, and I like Seeley's run on "Nightwing", but I think character took a real downgrade in complexity, maturity and competence in that book compared to when things were running smoothly on "Grayson".

    We don't, of course, know that Seeley isn't involved....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Tom King and Mikel Janín are working on something Grayson related:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/B5kraCFh...=1jmr9fkvptql1

    So, does that mean Ric is finally done?
    I thought he moved off batman cos his schedule was too busy but keeps announcing new projects did something fall through?

    I don't want this. Grayson I now believe was a lot down to Seeley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claude View Post
    Nah, I can't get behind that - I like Seeley, and I like Seeley's run on "Nightwing", but I think character took a real downgrade in complexity, maturity and competence in that book compared to when things were running smoothly on "Grayson".

    We don't, of course, know that Seeley isn't involved....
    King's writing of Grayson is batman is more than ample evidence to support what @Denric posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    Shooting him in the head was the least of Ric's issues. Its everything that came after. Which King doesn't seem to be a fan of anymore then anyone else.
    King has enough sway within the bat office and with DC that he could have stopped the Ric crap going as far as it did. If Lobdell was able to prolong it then King sure as hell could have prevented it or lessened the harm .

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