At this point I agree. If no one in the current Bat office can find the time, or be bothered to put forth a real effort to try and produce a book with him of any real quality. Then put him in an office and under people who maybe can. Cause you can’t tell me the current people on his book are actually trying, and if they are well then DC has a different problem. But at the same time the Bat office probably don’t want to give Nightwing up. It’s still consistent work, and seemingly consistent work with no standards or accountability. Why would they want to give that up.
Why would they give it up...dont know. Need ot give it up...hell yea! Plus nightwing leaving would on up more room with the other bat characters! Maybe kate could get a new book to go with her tv show or a new tim or daiman book etc. But nightwing would be free of the bat office that dont want him, the bloated family that leaves him with no niche (right now nightwing is just male batgirl or bat vigilante number 12) and stops him from being isolated from the rest of the dcu.
That is the problem though, isn't it, Lobdell didn't give it any real thought or care. He wanted a "funny" store where Jason and Dick had a rough start from the beginning and have a bit of a rivary/misunderstanding thing going on and went with the first thing that popped in his mind without a care as to what it means overall, how it potrays Alfred and what it means for Dick and Jason's "place" in Bat-family... It is something very basic but fundamental that these boys have their own place - and a room is very much a symbol of it. They are not interchangable as "Robins". They were not just mere guests in Bruce's life staying in the "guest room" which can be used by anyone currently a "guest". It undermines their relationship and importance as a person. It is very much a big deal... And a writer should be able to see that and take care not to make such mistakes, it is their JOB as professionals to give their stories and characterization some deep thought. This was plain lazy.
I don't know if this has to do with Lobdell simply hating writing for Dick and so tuning it in where Dick is concerned and just going with the first lazy idea that comes into his mind. He has more care with Jason and does a better job when he is writing just for him, but then he is Jason's permanent writer, it is his project. It would also explan why Ric is such a dismal story. Lobdell got handed a job to write for a character he could care less about at the last minute who he knows he won't have to write long term, just temporary fill in till DC finds some perm writer for it, and sure wasn't going to waste any time to delve deep into the character to really make a story about who he is at the core (as he was promising in the interviews). Instead he went for the basic thing he knew about the character "he is a circus boy!" and wrote him as a drifter with no direction and home or real job who just exists because he sees, I guess, that as a natural extension of being a "gypsy" and coming from the "circus" with muscle memory and Dick's tendency to be heroic thrown in, because this is comics and characters are expected to go into action and do something heroic from time to time even if reluctantly and all the time complaining about it.
Is damian the angry one or is that Jason,
due to him being 10-13 he tends to be just bratty and they wash over all his development over the years
so yes its best when they are not all togther but becasue of that Tim and Dick interaction have been minimal over the 10 years
which why Tim and Jason have been so buddy buddy
I don't know if they are really bad writers but there is certainly a problem... You have fanfic writers who are not professionals doing much better jobs than these so-called professionals in terms of characterizaton and continuity and logic after all. I don't know if it is because they have too many projects they need to deal with so are able to do only a half-assed job at most, or after a while they loose their zeal for writing (because editorial keeps shutting down their more creative ideas, because of workload, because after so many years in an industry you find yourself exhausted and bored etc etc) and just going through the actions of it for the paycheck...
Lobdell cant hate Dick that much if he had an Amazon and Superman clone job to KGBeast so Dick can pull off the last minute save.
Using a character because you know he is likely to boost interest in your issue or because he works within that stroy is not same as being invested in that character or having particular care for him.. And the way I remember it, Dick failed to take down KGBeast and it was actually the Amazon and the Superman Clone who beat him in the end. Dick got to surprise attack him and won them time though.
Can we not pretend that feats are worth anything in regards to competency in writing a character?
It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?
Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
-Dick Grayson (Batman Inc.)
https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2019/0...at-cat-romance
Haha sounds like we get to look forward to more of the same for Nightwing! Yes!
“We’re excited for fans to get more of what they love from DC,” said Harras. “With Joëlle Jones continuing on CATWOMAN, a new creative team on BATMAN, plus titles like DETECTIVE COMICS, BATGIRL, NIGHTWING, RED HOOD: OUTLAW and BATMAN AND THE OUTSIDERS, our Gotham City protectors and the talent behind them will continue to offer great stories that cater to the tastes of as many Bat-fans as possible in 2020 and beyond.”
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It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?
Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
-Dick Grayson (Batman Inc.)
Well it’s his in house buddies reaping the benefits of Nightwing being a nothing no effort book. More work for them.
Last edited by Godlike13; 05-24-2019 at 03:42 PM.
At this point, we need to ask ourselves a serious question: will the Ric Grayson debacle end before Catwoman and Batman get married? Because there seems to be no end in sight for this nonsense to end.
Looks like Nicola Scott is doing a mockup 80 years of Dick Grayson like she did for the Trinity. Kinda cool
https://twitter.com/nicolascottart/s...686907904?s=21
It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?
Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
-Dick Grayson (Batman Inc.)
They could care less what the Titan show does. Ric probably bleeds into 2020 now with them not knowing what they are doing with Batman.