Namor the Sub-Mariner Appreciation 2019

[Reviresco]

LOL looks like Liefeld's new character needs some tweaking. Seriously if they wanted a clean world then why didn't they just take care of the one they had? oh well. LOL yes pietro has white hair and also Ororo and Namor were together in one au, but these kids have blue skin so its more likely its gonna be another unnamed female atlantean cause if anyone at Marvel ever tried to actually flesh out side Atlantean characters instead of using them and throwing them away then it's a sign of the end of the world surely *rolls eyes*.

I eagerly await the End Times. ;p

I forgot Ororo! But yes, it would be a bit odd, but still possible, for them to have blue skin. I seriously doubt Liefield would have Namor and Storm hook up, though.

You are forgetting the obvious answer: Emma Frost!!!

Sadly, I did forget Emma. And I love her and Namor on panel together. A possibility, but I think of Emma as a blonde, and I'm not sure that's a natural blonde, either. Again, though, I don't get the feeling that Liefield would hook Namor up with any name mutants, for some reason.

Bloodtide has blue skin and white hair. of course she looks a lot differently now.

Very different.

[Reviresco]

This is pretty cool I also like that they modified the tasty freeze hair in the game to his usual cut.

I KNEW you were going to mention the hair! LOL! Yes, at least they gave him a hair cut.

I hate that costume, but at least they gave him the proper trident, which even comic artists only seem to do half the time.

Of course, I prefer the speedo, but there could be worse.

[ImperiusWrecked]

Impressive write up IW, now it needs some pictures to give it that finishing touch!

Lol, this started as an exercise when a fan asked me where they could find a proper look at Atlantis and I sat dumbfounded because there was no proper place to find it all, so I started compiling it for them and sending what I had. Like my other documenting this is still a work in progress but it would be great to have a Book of Atlantis someday with proper art for it. Even if its just a rehash of older stuff, at least some worldbuilding is better than none. I would love to get updated enemies and allies and artifacts etc pages and a history timeline with references to events in Atlantean history. Maybe someday... (I can dream! Or make one myself if I have time, lol)

I hate that costume, but at least they gave him the proper trident, which even comic artists only seem to do half the time.

I love the stylized trident far better than when he only has a normal looking trident (with all the different looking tridents in the comic it makes me think Namor has several tridents and chooses the one that best matches his mood for the day, lol) and the costume I'm ok with but of course speedo Namor is best.

[Doombot]

Lol, this started as an exercise when a fan asked me where they could find a proper look at Atlantis and I sat dumbfounded because there was no proper place to find it all, so I started compiling it for them and sending what I had. Like my other documenting this is still a work in progress but it would be great to have a Book of Atlantis someday with proper art for it. Even if its just a rehash of older stuff, at least some worldbuilding is better than none. I would love to get updated enemies and allies and artifacts etc pages and a history timeline with references to events in Atlantean history. Maybe someday... (I can dream! Or make one myself if I have time, lol)

This really needs to be done in a ongoing with a creative team that sets out to build a permanent "world" for Namor and the Atlanteans. I would do it in a heartbeat if I could. The unfortunate thing is, because Atlantis has been destroyed and moved so often, it discredits Atlantis as a single sacred, ancient place. It becomes more of a "Atlantis is in the heart" kind of deal, which I dislike. I have my own ideas of correcting this, but I'll never have my own Sub-Mariner book lol.

[ImperiusWrecked]

This really needs to be done in a ongoing with a creative team that sets out to build a permanent "world" for Namor and the Atlanteans. I would do it in a heartbeat if I could. The unfortunate thing is, because Atlantis has been destroyed and moved so often, it discredits Atlantis as a single sacred, ancient place. It becomes more of a "Atlantis is in the heart" kind of deal, which I dislike. I have my own ideas of correcting this, but I'll never have my own Sub-Mariner book lol.

I would LOVE to hear your ideas! I have some of my own as well, and that whole Atlantis is the heart, or Atlantis is the people was used in the 2007 Sub-Mariner and that Young Namor comic iirc? Which honestly just feels like a quick way to say: Atlantis isn't really gone, Atlantis was with us all along!
Which can then give them the option to always destroy the buildings without losing "Atlantis".

[Doombot]

I would LOVE to hear your ideas! I have some of my own as well, and that whole Atlantis is the heart, or Atlantis is the people was used in the 2007 Sub-Mariner and that Young Namor comic iirc? Which honestly just feels like a quick way to say: Atlantis isn't really gone, Atlantis was with us all along!
Which can then give them the option to always destroy the buildings without losing "Atlantis".

Sure, if you don't mind one long ass reply lol

I've loosely formed a skeleton of a story bible of a Sub-Mariner series, usually during bits of downtime I can steal away between "real life" responsibilities. I'm an artist so this usually accompanies sketching and doodling while working this stuff out.
A lot of this is just me with OCD trying to define or work out proper world building for Namor and Marvel's undersea world. It's really difficult to just create a new story for Namor if you have no idea where his city or cities are, where his people are, who lives where, including enemies etc etc. You don't have a board to play chess on. Often times it's not even clear if Atlanteans are a super advanced society with great technologies or they are hunter gatherers going out spear fishing and living in huts. That's how sorry the state of Marvel's Atlantis is.

From what I can gather, there are about 3 main Atlantises (Atlanti? Atlantae?) as well as various settlements, outposts and perhaps other Atlantean cities, not including the original continental Atlantis. 1) The current Atlantis, wherever that is, which has been bombed and attacked a number of times in recent years. 2) The second Atlantis which was blown up and abandoned by Namor himself after the Civil War storyline. 3) The Atlantis of Thakorr and Fen. Namor's childhood Atlantis. Even if not 100% accurate, this is vaguely the reality of Marvel's Atlantis.

- How I would open a new Sub-Mariner story is with the revelation of a century long secret.

- As a youth, Namor had many adventures exploring the areas beyond Thakorr's Atlantis in the Southern Ocean that surround Antarctica. The adventurous spirit of a young Namor would have taken him all throughout the Souther Ocean, it's canyons, mounts and coasts of Antarctica itself. He would have seen many wonders, settlements of other Atlanteans, dangerous creatures, the strange warm waters surrounding the hidden Savage Land, but what captured young Namor's imagination was the idea of Subterranea. At that time Subterranea was only a myth and Namor would spend his free time exploring terrifying caves of deep darkness in hopes of discovering some hidden passage to a world beneath the oceans. What he ends up discovering while exploring a large cavern opening beneath a great sea mount range at the foot of the continent of Antarctica is not Subterranea, but that the cavern itself opens up beneath the mountain range to a great agarthan plain, stretching beneath the entire mountain range and extending under both the sea floor and the continent itself. These great plains would be something that would stay with Namor for years afterwards. He would explore them, finding a handful of caverns that lead from the plains to the open ocean under the mountains and that the plains are possibly as big as Madagasgar or New Zealand.

- This is only a backstory of Namor's discovery and would only be teased as the story developed.

- The opening of the story would be a team of Atlantean archeologists unearthing an ancient monument from the great ruins of continental Atlantis. Namor himself is on hand to witness the discovery of a massive seated statue of what appears to be an ancient king. A few are saying it to be Kull of Atlantis. The team looks to Namor for consent, and Namor tells them to take the artifact to the "City of Dorma" to be studied before risking it being brought into the "Sacred City". (The City of Dorma being the name of current Atlantis, but only to Namor and his inner circle)

- In the Mid-Pacific, one of the satellite cities north of Lemuria (which is south of the equator in the mid-pacific) is recovering from a recent attack from the "Golden Shoal". Attuma's great horde, which has a stronghold in the north pacific, is known to all people of the sea as the Great or Golden Shoal and in recent years has only grown more brazen, attacking and testing all boundaries of civilized cities in the Pacific, Indian and even northern Atlanic oceans. The Shoal and the name Attuma is a terror to everyone in every ocean.

- All cities, settlements and former Provinces of Atlantis are in decline, many having lost contact with Atlantis, been destroyed or overtaken by the Golden Shoal, or willingly isolated themselves from Atlantis and insulated their territories. The oceanic peoples of the world are as confused and lost about the status of Atlantis as we the reader are. It's power faded, it's influence all but gone, it's King seen as weak and ineffectual. The powerful city state of Lemuria and it's surrounding vassal territories are the lone stable power in the ocean, aside from the terror of Attuma's Great Shoal.

- A warmwater reef cliffside, off the northern coast of Brazil, facing the open ocean is the current home of Arliss Tigershark. Tigershark is unwell, going through one of his many mutations, enduring painful and unstable changes due to his unnatural enhancements years ago at the hands of Doctor Dorcas. He thinks he's delusional when he looks out of his home and sees an island. A floating island, a small floating island with a fortress atop, coming out of the fog of the deep ocean. Once it comes close to the cliffside it calls to him and bids him to enter.

- Namor swims quietly away from his entourage towards a large monument in the centre square of a dimly lit city street. He lays a great wreath upon the monument, returns to his people, quietly commanding they now leave and return to the Sacred City. The monument is dedicated the King Thakorr and the silent city is the Atlantis of Namor's youth. It is the anniversary of Thakorr's death and his Atlantis is now the Imperial Necropolis.

- Namor sits quietly in his Imperial Cruiser, the crew make sure not to disturb their monarch as he gazes out the window from his seat in the rear of the cruiser. It passes into mist, they continue south towards Antarctica, the area they enter is covered in blue-grey mist with jagged, shattered mountains distant beyond them. The jet black cruiser speeds toward the mountain range, passing what looks like ancient runestones scattered on the sea floor. They look primeval and otherworldy, covered with glyphs and ancient text, along with the mist, hide the fact the stones are actually full of scanners and other high-tech detection equipment that view the cruiser and it's contents inside and out.

-The cruiser enters the mouth of a cavern at the root of the mountain, and begins a deep decline through a nightmarish black canyon that seems to go on forever. As the cruiser approaches a glowing light on the far side of the caverns, the silhouettes of two giant sentinels in the dark, unmoving, their glowing eyes coldly scan the ship as it passes towards the light. Before they enter the light, Namor commands the ship to stop. The King of Atlantis wishes to enter the Sacred City alone, ahead of the ship.

- The Sacred City, of course, is Atlantis. King Namor's greatest secret, his greatest triumph, as well as the source of his greatest guilt. Namor swims into the city, it is vast, sprawling as wide as can be seen, with barley a glimpse of the bare plains that continue on the far edges of the city. There is a great bridge, or freeway like structure piercing the centre of the city, from the canyon entrance all the way to the heart of the city where the Imperial Palace takes prominence. The city is a beautiful mixture of a futuristic society with personal aquatic bikes and ship speeders jetting around the city, yet has a timeless look of antiquity with many of it's structures looking vaguely influenced by ancient Egypt, Greece, Rome and the mediterranean empires. Great palaces, temples, and structures of all sorts. It is a true Atlantis. There are a few massive pillars throughout, reaching up to the roof of the gigantic open plains that emit light, illuminating the roof of the cavern and mimicking the hours of both sun and moon light. The city is filled with art, sculpture and artifacts from every era, from today to the ages before the cataclysm. For decades Namor has had teams of archeologists and historians scour the oceans to bring the greatest art and buildings to this Atlantis, even rebuilding many structures brick for brick. It is rumoured Neptune himself appeared in the city and helped King Namor bless a recreated pyramid from pre-cataclysmic Atlantis that was first built to commune with the god. The city is at once, the most beautiful and most advanced place on the face of the earth, having rediscovered the art, science and magics of all lost ages of Atlantis.

- How was this done? How did Namor create this and keep it a secret?

[Doombot]

PART THE DEUX

- He began dreaming of this undertaking while still a young Prince of Thakorr's Atlantis. When Atlantis was bombed multiple times and Namor came into power, one of his first actions as sovereign was having teams begin development in the cavern plains. As it became apparent that Atlantis would never again be safe in the open ocean, he made the decision the begin the work of transferring Atlantis into the cavern plains. A good third of the population was moved into the plains and would live and build the city as time went on bearing their children along the way. More and more of Atlantean society moved into the plains, as the city was continuously built year after year. The national project was now a national passion of creating the city inside the plains until only the Imperial military and their families were populating the open sea Atlantis. The might, wealth and creativity of Atlantis is all focused in the great plains, which is why the Atlantis the world knows seems so feeble and their populations so small. The open sea Atlantises have been false. Facades, held up by the will of Namor and the sacrifices of the Imperial military and their families. All attacks on Atlantis have been against half empty cities of poorly resourced military and civilians. Inside the great plains Atlantis grows and flourishes thanks to this sacrifice. The population is in the millions, with an entire full generation of Atlanteans having been born and grown to adulthood inside the Sacred City. Many never having seen the outside. Depending on the timescale one chooses, Namor could have been up to this for the better part of a century.

- The sacrifice the open sea Atlanteans have made for so many years weighs heavy on Namor, each death is a wound upon his heart. But the time has finally come to call them home, to reach out to all cities and lost provinces, no one has been forgotten, nothing has been in vain and Atlantis is not dead. Atlantis is reborn and will make her presence known to all who live in the sea.

- This revelation would obviously cause quite a few issues as new powers have since come in to fill the vacuum Atlantis had left behind. Attuma is more powerful then ever, Lemuria has never been willing to submit to Atlantis. This is all on top of the fact many provinces and territories have long since given up on Atlantis and most likely will not easily fall back into the fold.

- There are now endless possibilities to build supporting characters, both inside and out of Atlantis. New rivals, new enemies and revitalized old ones. I have ideas for many new characters as well, but I fear I'm probably boring people as it is.

Imperious Rex.

[ImperiusWrecked]

- There are now endless possibilities to build supporting characters, both inside and out of Atlantis. New rivals, new enemies and revitalized old ones. I have ideas for many new characters as well, but I fear I'm probably boring people as it is.

Imperious Rex.

BORING PEOPLE?! BORING PEOPLE?! My good sir/madam/pronoun I am permitted to call you by, you have given me a GIFT. The idea of Namor spending more than probably half a century building the ultimate Atlantis and keeping up a facade is ASTOUNDING. The subtle hints that could be given as the series progresses, until the final reveal where Namor sits on his new throne in this city and knowing that this chair has been built on the dreams, sweat, and blood spilled by himself and his people... BRILLIANT. As a huge lover of literature and the written word in any form, I want to thank you for sharing this. Seriously, I tend to wax poetic whenever I get very excited, I love poetry and this could be an epic saga.

Let's face it, Marvel will never give the fans anything that would be as authentic or satisfactory as we fans can create and that is something I mourn because having been in this fandom for years and only recently joining this site, I do not see very much fanworks for Namor, and every bit of headcanons, meta, theories, etc I drink up like a person dying of thirst in a dessert. I was not expecting so much and I am utterly delighted.

I enjoyed the way you gave attuma, lermuria, tigershark their own B plots (Namor's story would be the main A plot) and locations, which would open up a world of possibilities and locations to travel too. Marvel is so woefully limited in their imagination of the undersea empire of Atlanteans and there should be just as many cities as on the surface world, the ocean is so vast.

My own thoughts about Atlantis and worldbuilding Namor would come from a very different direction than yours but sweet neptune, I have never thought about it your way, and honestly that is what makes fanworks so wonderful, to see other people's ideas.

edit: ALSO ART? PLEASE SHARE. If you ever wish to of course, I would LOVE maps of atlantis and more etc. or just anything honestly. thank you!

[Oberon]

Certainly not boring, very interesting and it more or less 'fits', other than the constantly collapsing time line. Namor's realization of this during his youth and around the time of nuclear/atom testing is '40s to '50s more or less.

But most of the (worst) interactions with humans that destroyed various other 'Atlantis' would have to have occurred in the so called 10 to 15(?) years of the timeline.

A long action plan indeed.

Did you say where or whether the old/ancient Atlanteans that Namor encountered with Sue and the FF several years back fit into this?
Was some of their hidden domain impacted? Did they know of this grand plan? I seem to recall that for some reason they were really cut off from the rest of the world, let alone Namor's Atlantis.

Also, from the '40s forward there would have been other hidden races who were watching this, whether Inhumans (and they too seem to have had scattered colonies or separate kingdoms around the world) and the Eternals but even more so the Deviants and their world since it rather largely is global and subterranean.

But good ideas, really good, so thanks.

[Doombot]

BORING PEOPLE?! BORING PEOPLE?! My good sir/madam/pronoun I am permitted to call you by, you have given me a GIFT. The idea of Namor spending more than probably half a century building the ultimate Atlantis and keeping up a facade is ASTOUNDING. The subtle hints that could be given as the series progresses, until the final reveal where Namor sits on his new throne in this city and knowing that this chair has been built on the dreams, sweat, and blood spilled by himself and his people... BRILLIANT. As a huge lover of literature and the written word in any form, I want to thank you for sharing this. Seriously, I tend to wax poetic whenever I get very excited, I love poetry and this could be an epic saga.

Let's face it, Marvel will never give the fans anything that would be as authentic or satisfactory as we fans can create and that is something I mourn because having been in this fandom for years and only recently joining this site, I do not see very much fanworks for Namor, and every bit of headcanons, meta, theories, etc I drink up like a person dying of thirst in a dessert. I was not expecting so much and I am utterly delighted.

I enjoyed the way you gave attuma, lermuria, tigershark their own B plots (Namor's story would be the main A plot) and locations, which would open up a world of possibilities and locations to travel too. Marvel is so woefully limited in their imagination of the undersea empire of Atlanteans and there should be just as many cities as on the surface world, the ocean is so vast.

My own thoughts about Atlantis and worldbuilding Namor would come from a very different direction than yours but sweet neptune, I have never thought about it your way, and honestly that is what makes fanworks so wonderful, to see other people's ideas.

edit: ALSO ART? PLEASE SHARE. If you ever wish to of course, I would LOVE maps of atlantis and more etc. or just anything honestly. thank you!

Thank you very much! I'm glad it wasn't boring lol, and I am a "sir", my name is Ryan.

I do have more ideas for a wider or second large arc once Atlantis is fully revealed and all the characters and locations are fully set on the stage of this story.

Like you, I love hearing people's "headcanon" about Namor and Atlantis as Marvel seems uninterested in filling that gap.

Certainly not boring, very interesting and it more or less 'fits', other than the constantly collapsing time line. Namor's realization of this during his youth and around the time of nuclear/atom testing is '40s to '50s more or less.

But most of the (worst) interactions with humans that destroyed various other 'Atlantis' would have to have occurred in the so called 10 to 15(?) years of the timeline.

A long action plan indeed.

Did you say where or whether the old/ancient Atlanteans that Namor encountered with Sue and the FF several years back fit into this?
Was some of their hidden domain impacted? Did they know of this grand plan? I seem to recall that for some reason they were really cut off from the rest of the world, let alone Namor's Atlantis.

Also, from the '40s forward there would have been other hidden races who were watching this, whether Inhumans (and they too seem to have had scattered colonies or separate kingdoms around the world) and the Eternals but even more so the Deviants and their world since it rather largely is global and subterranean.

But good ideas, really good, so thanks.

Thank you, it's good to hear feedback for something that's really only existed in my head for a few months.

The timeline is one of those things with Marvel, no one is ever quite sure. I've always felt Namor is one of the few characters who evaded the sliding timelines, as no matter what happens, he needs to be about 20-25 during the waning years of WW2. This means Thakorr's Atlantis was first bombed shortly after the first World War.

As for the Old Atlanteans from Hickman's run, they are something that would need to be faced by Namor and his new Atlantis just like every other region or former province. Namor already seems to have a severe dislike of them, so that's always interesting.

[ImperiusWrecked]

Thank you very much! I'm glad it wasn't boring lol, and I am a "sir", my name is Ryan.

I do have more ideas for a wider or second large arc once Atlantis is fully revealed and all the characters and locations are fully set on the stage of this story.

Like you, I love hearing people's "headcanon" about Namor and Atlantis as Marvel seems uninterested in filling that gap.



Thank you, it's good to hear feedback for something that's really only existed in my head for a few months.

The timeline is one of those things with Marvel, no one is ever quite sure. I've always felt Namor is one of the few characters who evaded the sliding timelines, as no matter what happens, he needs to be about 20-25 during the waning years of WW2. This means Thakorr's Atlantis was first bombed shortly after the first World War.

As for the Old Atlanteans from Hickman's run, they are something that would need to be faced by Namor and his new Atlantis just like every other region or former province. Namor already seems to have a severe dislike of them, so that's always interesting.

Very nice to meet you Ryan!

The Old Kings, whatever happened to them? I swear its so infuriating to have something that is completely ignored just after its introduced. I'm sure Namor wouldn't be happy if they were still parading themselves as kings. Having to deal with that would make a good plot line, and there is so much they could do to fill in plot holes from previous dropped plots. The only thing that gets longer for Namor, is how much time he had amnesia after the war, in the beginning I believe it was no more than a decade from Destiny until Johnny Storm, but with the sliding timescale, the time gap get bigger each year. Altanteans like Asgardians are almost immortal, they are very long lived, I think the general longevity is 200 years? but im not sure, but they could easily live much longer, especially Namor, since he could live to be so much older than any other Atlantean.

[ImperiusWrecked]

I'm currently playing Contest of Champions whenever i get a free moment and screengrabbing Namor scenes, I'll try to post it in a compilation once I finish the Atlantean event, but for now here is one of them, where Namor explains how he ended up trapped in a ruined version of Atlantis for years:



edit: during some cut scenes Namor's ankle wings flutter slightly!

[Doombot]

I'm currently playing Contest of Champions whenever i get a free moment and screengrabbing Namor scenes, I'll try to post it in a compilation once I finish the Atlantean event, but for now here is one of them, where Namor explains how he ended up trapped in a ruined version of Atlantis for years:



edit: during some cut scenes Namor's ankle wings flutter slightly!

The Thing is massive there lol

[DragonsChi]

I'm currently playing Contest of Champions whenever i get a free moment and screengrabbing Namor scenes, I'll try to post it in a compilation once I finish the Atlantean event, but for now here is one of them, where Namor explains how he ended up trapped in a ruined version of Atlantis for years:



edit: during some cut scenes Namor's ankle wings flutter slightly!

This is really cool. Might be the first time Namor is a playable character in a game.

I would reinstall Contest of Champions but its way to difficult to get the characters you actually want to play without paying for them. That and the game play is really repetitive.

[Reviresco]

I'm currently playing Contest of Champions whenever i get a free moment and screengrabbing Namor scenes, I'll try to post it in a compilation once I finish the Atlantean event, but for now here is one of them, where Namor explains how he ended up trapped in a ruined version of Atlantis for years:



edit: during some cut scenes Namor's ankle wings flutter slightly!

Wait... is he out and playable in the game? I thought he was supposed to debut on June 12 or something.