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    Doesn't it all depend on Sue's definition of success?

    Mainstream Marvel Universe - Sue has always been a family person at heart. She wanted the marriage, the kids and the family to be together. Who's to say that THAT isn't the difference between the Sue of this universe and all the other Sues in the multiverse.
    Then my question is why is one often portrayed at the expense of the other? Why is it often shown that the mother has to sacrifice for the sake of the family? Why can't she both be successful and a wife/mother, like Reed is both a successful scientist and husband/father. Even the Lee/Kirby era Sue didn't just want to be a mother, she had other dreams and aspirations too in the beginning.

    Also, I never said that in the majority of those realities she wasn't married. She just wasn't married to Reed. Like this reality where she married Namor and is a warrior queen:



    It's not looking at her not being married with kids and thinking that she'll be better off without them. It's looking at her relationship with Reed compared to many alternate ones where she's not with him. Many of those realities have her married to someone else and still being successful while being a wife and mother. So why is that different with 616 Sue? We see how Sue benefits Reed, but how does he benefit and improve her? That's what I think should be explored and answered as for too long there has been a imbalance that writers lazily try to fix by giving her power showings instead of actual development.

    And when looking at the stories they get about the kids and family, Reed's has more depth than Sue's. There are many stories about Reed trying to be a better father and husband, the Hickman run was all about it. While Sue's stories are usually about her family being hurt and going into Mama Bear mode. It lacks depth.
    It's said that Sue is all about her family and stuff, but we don't even get good stories about it that develop the character. But we do with Reed plus he has stories and development that has nothing to do with the family. Something has to change with Sue because we get nothing of substance both in or out of the family for her. It's just variations of the same thing.

    Even Ben and Johnny have more complex and interesting stories about family compared to Sue.
    Last edited by Crimz; 01-25-2019 at 12:47 PM.
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