Madelyne Pryor: Red Queen Appreciation 2019

[phoenixzero23]

Poor Jean, I think most of the time fans and writers forget she has all these memories

[H-E-D]

thanks, that is clearly Maddie.
I thought Hickman showed her alive or something

Maddie has been alive since the Sisterhood arc, no?

[phoenixzero23]

Maddie has been alive since the Sisterhood arc, no?

Yes, I think so. In fact we also have another Maddie from Secret Wars.
but know that I read the issue I don't think Maddie will be alive.

[The tall man]

I thought Maddie was a very interesting character in the Mutant-X title. Married to Alex, mother to little Scotty, member of the Six who was fighting a losing battle for her soul. I never saw her as a Jean derivative in that book or got any Jean vibes at all. She was a fully form character with her own agency. If she were to make a comeback in the 616 I think with good writing they could make her her own character independent of Jean. They did it with Ben and Kaine in regards to Peter Parker, I think the same could be done for Middie. I hope she does come back, she could really shake up the narrative going forward. Maybe ally with Shaw and Seline.

[LoganAlpha30X33]

Nah if Maddy was to come back and ally with Shaw and Selene she'd be seen as a villain and therefore more justification for Scott abandoning her and their son...

[AHRNIHAL]

Nah if Maddy was to come back and ally with Shaw and Selene she'd be seen as a villain and therefore more justification for Scott abandoning her and their son...

There is no justification for Scott abandoning them.Stop hating.

[Havok83]

I think Marvel just retconned the original Madelyne out of existence. Hox Spoilers/speculation
spoilers:

The idea that a person can have their soul transferred to a clone body, makes them the original person. What was done in HoX isnt much different than the Phoenix taking a portion of Jean's soul and using that to give Jean's cloned body life. Bc it was just a portion, she didnt have Jean's full memories, only fragments, such as when her powers were activated (Annie's death) and Jean's love for Scott. She, Phoenix and Jean merged in Inferno when Jean's soul was returned to her The Maddie that X-man created in the 90s is not the original but a psychic ghost with the original's memories. I dont bellieve her history would be added to Jean's like Maddie 1.0 will be if this speculation is correct

end of spoilers

[powerpax]

That seems unlikely to me as Maddy is specifically referenced in the Sinister Secrets last week.

[Havok83]

That seems unlikely to me as Maddy is specifically referenced in the Sinister Secrets last week.

what was written doesnt negate this

[Ultimate Rogue]

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[AbnormallyNormal]

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Oh YEAH

I love the sheer "deadness" her upper body/face give off here, much like some portrayals of Selene can be. She's just scary af

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

Poor Jean, I think most of the time fans and writers forget she has all these memories

Not only that but just like the comicbook character Rogue had the comicbook character Carol Danvers' mind trapped inside hers, so too did the comicbook character Marvel Girl have the comicbook character Madelyne's mind trapped inside hers..

X-Factor #46 Nov 1989
Judgement War! Part 4 of 7. "Exchange!"
Continued from last issue...

The Beast is preparing a group of Rejects to participate in a mission to break into the Chosen's city to free his friend Archangel from the arena.
As he trains young Nikoh how to fight, Zharkah watches with increased suspicion over Beast's true motives.
Unaware that he is really a mutant from another world she begins to suspect that he might be a spy of the Chosen,
and decides to see how he reacts when he sees the red haired woman that they have had prisoner
since their last battle against the Chosen who is scheduled to be part of the coming prisoner exchange.

Meanwhile, in the city of the Chosen, Iceman and Lev begin to drum up bets for Iceman's upcoming battle against the Archangel.
Watching this in disguise is Princess Seera, who knows that Iceman is really from another world and is suffering amnesia.
She wonders what she can do to free Archangel and continues to struggle
with her conflicting emotions regarding her allegiances to the Chosen way of life.
She also begins to wonder how much longer she can keep baby Christopher hidden from
the Chosen Scientists and once more considers sneaking the child further out of the city.
As she goes to check on the child and her robot Zee-Zee, she is unaware that she is being followed by
a member of the Chosen who can fly, who watches her enter her hideout and leaves to report to the scientists.

While at the hidden base of the Beginagains, Scott learns that his friend Beast
is among the Rejects, while Archangel and Iceman are in the city of the Chosen.
Looking through a monitoring crystal of the Beginagains, Scott learns that Marvel Girl
has been a prisoner of the Rejects and is going to be part of a prisoner exchange.
He demands instant action, however Dykon and the other Beginagains
refuse to take any action just yet prompting Cyclops to go off alone.

Back in the city of the Chosen, Archangel is brought before Lord Rask
who attempts to force Warren to go about a training exercise.
When Warren attempts to attack him, he is blasted back.
Warren then takes a different approach, feigning weakness until Rask gets close enough
for him to slice the nobleman's leg with his razor-sharp wings before being caged again.
Archangel assures Rask that he will slay the Dueler that he will be forced to fight and survive if only for
the satisfaction of eventually killing Rask, unaware that the "Dueler" he is to fight is his own comrade Iceman.

In the Reject city, the prisoner exchange is about to get underway when
Beast notices that the prisoner that they intend to exchange is Jean.

When Beast tries to save her, Zharkah believes that her suspicion that Hank is a spy
of the Chosen has been confirmed and she orders the other Rejects to capture Hank.
Back at the Chosen's city, Seera nurses young Christopher when suddenly Rask and a number of soldiers burst into the building.
They incapacitate Seera, Zee-Zee and Christopher, intending to punish Seera for
breaking their laws even though she is considered the most perfect of their society.
Christopher's telepathic cries cause Marvel Girl -- who has been in a catatonic state the whole time --

to awaken and lash out.

However, much to Beast's surprise, the dominant personality is not that of Jean, but of Madelyne Pryor.
While Seera has to answer to why she has a child, the scientists tell her that she will be punished for her crimes.
Rask however, having used his wealth and bargaining on Archangel's coming battle to net him another
handsome sum of money to buy him favor tries to get Seera to ally with him to avoid any trouble.
Seera, finally making a decision that their way of life refuses, knowing full well that there will be harsh consequences coming her way.

While outside the Beginagains base, Cyclops is stopped by Dykon and other
Beginagains who wish to help him storm the Chosen's city to free his friends.
However they point out that they will have to pass around the Celestial known
as Gammenon who has returned to the planet and is blocking their direct path.
As Scott calls out to Jean, telling her that he is coming,
it is Madelyne who hears this and is amused that her estranged husband would be coming.
In deep space, X-Factor's Ship is still a prisoner of the Celestials and once more probing it's data banks to learn it's true origins,
learns that it wasn't created by Apocalypse at all, but by the Celestials many centuries ago.
Finally, back in the Chosen's city, Seera is given back her robot Zee-Zee whom she is horrified
to find has been reporgramed to have her own independent thinking culled from her data banks.
When Seera tries to lash out against the scientist who has done this to her childhood caretaker, she is forced back.
As she recovers from the feedback of her powers she vows that no matter what she will free the Archangel
and allow him to get his vengeance against the Chosen even if it means the end of her civilization in the process.

Story by Louise Simonson. Art by Paul Smith and Al Milgrom.

[616MarvelYear is LeapYear]

I felt a little sad for the comicbook character Madelyne that while understandable her own son was afraid of her..

X-Factor #48 Dec 1989
Judgement War Part 5 of 7 "Common Ground!"
Continued from last issue... The Rejects and Chosen have come to meet on the common ground for one of their many prisoner exchanges.
The Rejects have come bearing Marvel Girl whom they have had subdued since her Madelyne Pryor personality has taken full control.

When the Chosen order MG released, they are surprised to find that the woman has great power

and once more subdue her. The Rejects ask to exchange Jean for both Archangel and the warrior Agrom.
Rask, needing Archangel for his arena battle against Iceman refuses the winged mutant but agrees to turn over the Reject known as Agrom.
Rask, having never seen MG before, begins to wonder where she might have come from.

While in the Chosen's city, a scientist goes to check on Princess Seera so that she can accept Rask's offer of alliance.
She awakens and uses her jamming powers to knock him out and makes a break for it, jamming the minds of all opposition.
When her once loyal robot Zee-Zee attempts to raise the alarm, Seera flees, unable to bring herself to destroy her life long minder.
While outside the city, Cyclops and a team of the Beginagains approach an entrance into the city
when Dykon notices that yet another one of the Celestials has arrived on the planet's surface outside
the Chosen's city and they all begin to believe that the final judgement of their world is coming soon.

Having jammed the guard who holds the prisons, Seera steals the keys
and uses them to access the room where Archangel is being held prisoner.
She tells Archangel that his friend Iceman and young Christopher are also in the city, and they also free Agrom and try to escape.
However, Lord Rask comes upon them and he easily subdues Agrom. When Archangel tries to fly away with Seera,
Rask uses his powers to destroy Zee-Zee causing Seera to slow Warren up enough for them both to be captured.
As they are being taken away, Rask suggests to Lord Palik that an example must be
made with Seera otherwise they will undermine the very foundations of their society.
He suggests that Seera should be put in the middle of the arena battle between Archangel and Iceman
and that should the Iceman win she will be put to death. If Archangel wins then she will live.
Palik agrees to the terms and comes to realize that Rask is attempting to buy his way to the
highest position among the Chosen and begins contemplating a plan to stop this from happening.

When Agrom is returned to the Rejects there is a giant party among their numbers.
Beast uses this as a means to escape when his guard becomes drunk from the celebration and knocks him out.
Stealing the key, he breaks out of his cell and tries to make an escape when he is stopped by Agrom.
When Agrom hears that the Beast is a friend of Archangel, he lets Beast go
and tells Zharkah that Beast isn't a Chosen spy but a visitor from another world.
While back in the city of the Chosen, the scientists all wonder where young Christopher has come from and after scanning the boy
and Marvel Girl's DNA they begin to wonder if Archangel's assertions that he was among people from another world may be true.
They allow the Madelyne Pryor possessed MG to approach her child, but they are shocked when
young Christopher displays his mutant powers and rejects his "mother's" attempt at affection.

While outside, Iceman and Lev prepare for the battle, knowing that the Chosen's
opinions on Duelers would change should Bobby win the bout against Iceman.
The two then take note that there are now more Celestials standing over the city now.

At the Reject's camp, Beast finally explains the truth about his origins to Zharkah and she accepts the tale with Agrom substantiating it
and she agrees to help him in freeing his friends that within the Chosen's city and bring their decadent civilization crashing down.
While out in deep space, Ship manages to break free from the tractor-beam that has kept it locked in space.
As it witnesses many more Celestials are descending down on the alien world, the sentient ship decides that it must
go down to the planet itself and try to save X-Factor from the possibility of destruction at the hands of its own creators.

Story by Louise Simonson. Art by Paul Smith and Al Milgrom.

[phoenixzero23]

I know Maddie has existed after Inferno and that there are in fact two Maddies but last time someone asked , JDW said that she was fused with Jean.
That's kind of what happened at the end of Inferno but by that logic Maddie shouldn't exist if she is part of Jean now or was that retconned?

[Havok83]

I know Maddie has existed after Inferno and that there are in fact two Maddies but last time someone asked , JDW said that she was fused with Jean.
That's kind of what happened at the end of Inferno but by that logic Maddie shouldn't exist if she is part of Jean now or was that retconned?

The Maddie that ran around in the 90s was a psychic ghost created by Nate Grey. She wasnt the original Maddie, but considering she had all her memories, she was treated as such for all intents and purposes. Its similar to Magik 2.0 that currently exists in the comics. The 2nd Maddie that was in ANX and Blue is an alternate reality version that has nothing to do with the original. The OG Maddie did merge with Jean in Inferno and that has not been retconned