Why haven't any of the Black Male X-men caught on other than Bishop?

[danielsan52]

I still want Derrick Beacon to show up.

[Devaishwarya]

Real-world forms of discrimination get brought up occasionally, but they're the exception rather than the rule.

Yup. Mainly because most X-writers:
1: Have a much larger/more important story/plot idea to put through that usually has little to do with Real-world racism/oppression.
2: And even if they do have something to say...they enfold it into the story they're telling more as a underscore/emphasis point (as with Frenzy above.)

[Will Evans]

Naturally, because the people writing the stories, by and large, aren't necessarily familiar with real-world discrimination and marginalization to begin with --- and sometimes, it can really show.

This right here.

Funny, because I remember the 90s writers do it quite a bit though. It’s what got me started ok X-Men in the first place.

[dkrook]

I for one, don't even care if there is never a race issue plot that brings in Bishop. Just as long as we can get a good story layered with action and drama. Let's start with this. Part of me is cheering on all the revealing sexual assault allegations going on with comic veterans right now. I see this as a means to an end. The prevalence of white male presence in the upper positions of influence is directly to blame for the lack of well written black male heroes not just in X-Men but Marvel comics as well.

[jwatson]

I for one, don't even care if there is never a race issue plot that brings in Bishop. Just as long as we can get a good story layered with action and drama. Let's start with this. Part of me is cheering on all the revealing sexual assault allegations going on with comic veterans right now. I see this as a means to an end. The prevalence of white male presence in the upper positions of influence is directly to blame for the lack of well written black male heroes not just in X-Men but Marvel comics as well.

Bingo, spot on. And sometimes it is unbias but other times it's completely bias. Every white writer should always have in their mind how can i diversify this. I know no creator of color doesn't ever not think i need at least one white character in this or more than just black people to add diversity. Sometimes we go through with it and sometimes we consciously decide f it but i know it is ALWAYS a thought at some point in the process. I think Percy's X-force is a good example. I just don't think diversity on the team ever crossed his mind not such much that it was a conscious avoidance.

[jwatson]

And i don't get why people are assuming black means African American that is confusing to me. There are jamacians, africans, afro latinos, hell america consider a one drop rule being black. So i don't quite understand this black being associated strictly with african americans. its confusing.

[skyvolt2000]

Bingo, spot on. And sometimes it is unbias but other times it's completely bias. Every white writer should always have in their mind how can i diversify this. I know no creator of color doesn't ever not think i need at least one white character in this or more than just black people to add diversity. Sometimes we go through with it and sometimes we consciously decide f it but i know it is ALWAYS a thought at some point in the process. I think Percy's X-force is a good example. I just don't think diversity on the team ever crossed his mind not such much that it was a conscious avoidance.

Most writers of color and LGBTQIA have ZERO issues offering a diverse roster in their stories. They will just do it if the story allows it.

I mean it might be harder to do that with say Black Panther (if he stays in Wakanda) and Luke Cage (at times) but everyone else-it should not be an issue.

And i don't get why people are assuming black means African American that is confusing to me. There are jamacians, africans, afro latinos, hell america consider a one drop rule being black. So i don't quite understand this black being associated strictly with african americans. its confusing.

Because in the USA African Americans are the MAIN ones complaining and screaming for justice and acceptance. While the others do as well-it's rarely magnified beyond the respective countries those people come from.

Most don't know about the stuff that goes on in parts of African with children soldiers and what is done to African girls.

And don't get me started on the war between African Americans and Africans-that is a thread by itself.

Yet all those folks are black like you said.

[Micabe]

Most writers of color and LGBTQIA have ZERO issues offering a diverse roster in their stories. They will just do it if the story allows it.

I mean it might be harder to do that with say Black Panther (if he stays in Wakanda) and Luke Cage (at times) but everyone else-it should not be an issue.



Because in the USA African Americans are the MAIN ones complaining and screaming for justice and acceptance. While the others do as well-it's rarely magnified beyond the respective countries those people come from.

Most don't know about the stuff that goes on in parts of African with children soldiers and what is done to African girls.

And don't get me started on the war between African Americans and Africans-that is a thread by itself.

Yet all those folks are black like you said.

You got me to thinking about your last statement so I Googled just that and found this PDF.

[BroHomo]

Part of me is cheering on all the revealing sexual assault allegations going on with comic veterans right now. I see this as a means to an end. The prevalence of white male presence in the upper positions of influence is directly to blame for the lack of well written black male heroes not just in X-Men but Marvel comics as well.

**** Dude, its a conflicting AF feeling buuuut Same here. Not just in comics but maybe we'd see a break up then eventually a more diverse presence within the upper echelon in every form

And i don't get why people are assuming black means African American that is confusing to me. There are jamacians, africans, afro latinos, hell america consider a one drop rule being black. So i don't quite understand this black being associated strictly with african americans. its confusing.

Who are the people assuming? my bad if its been explained

And don't get me started on the war between African Americans and Africans-that is a thread by itself.

Bruh I've been noticing my Mom+some older members of my family try to say some slick **** about 'Africans' 'Jamaicans' etc. and Im like Whaaat?

[Jackraow21]

I enjoy Bishop as a character. Would’ve loved to see him on this X-Force team but in the main timeline (not an alt U)...

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Maybe sub X-23 for Archangel since he’s kind of had his arc in Uncanny X-Force. Could say the same about Psylocke, but now that she’s Kwannon it works. She’s an assassin. Add Forge and Sage as tech support/command and control and it’s perfect IMO.

I’d have Cable (the adult version) wield his new sword though, and channel his TK through it like he used to do his Psimitar. That way Bishop can carry the heavy gun ordinance without either of them being redundant.

[Zelena]

I for one, don't even care if there is never a race issue plot that brings in Bishop. Just as long as we can get a good story layered with action and drama. Let's start with this. Part of me is cheering on all the revealing sexual assault allegations going on with comic veterans right now. I see this as a means to an end. The prevalence of white male presence in the upper positions of influence is directly to blame for the lack of well written black male heroes not just in X-Men but Marvel comics as well.

I don’t see the connection about the sexual assault allegations going on with some comic veterans and the fact that these comic veterans are white. What? A sort of divine justice must fall on them because they are white? Black authors can never do wrong?

[BroHomo]

I don’t see the connection about the sexual assault allegations going on with some comic veterans and the fact that these comic veterans are white. What? A sort of divine justice must fall on them because they are white? Black authors can never do wrong?

Not a lotta Black authors for them to be in the position of doing the wrong thing :/

[Kingdom X]

Bruh I've been noticing my Mom+some older members of my family try to say some slick **** about 'Africans' 'Jamaicans' etc. and Im like Whaaat?

My family is Caribbean and trust me, the slick comments go both ways.

[Huntsman Spider]

I don’t see the connection about the sexual assault allegations going on with some comic veterans and the fact that these comic veterans are white. What? A sort of divine justice must fall on them because they are white? Black authors can never do wrong?

The connection is that when you have the upper echelons of leadership in an industry, those who make most if not all the major decisions as to who or what gets pushed forward or phased into the background, consist (almost) exclusively of straight white men, you get at best blind spots and at worst outright biases around race, nationality, gender identity, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, etc. that block people who aren't straight white men from opportunities for advancement in the industry. Hell, there's a Business Insider article (that's been followed up by some more comic-focused news sites, including CBR) where it's admitted that Marvel really did consider stripping Miles Morales --- one of the most successful and popular of the nonwhite legacy characters introduced in the last decade --- of his claim to the Spider-Man mantle and essentially downgrading him.

Now, that push to downgrade Miles obviously fell through, but the fact that it was even being seriously considered among the upper echelons of Marvel execs and/or editorial is a case study in why greater inclusivity and representation is needed at that level. And yes, when you have the upper echelons of talent and leadership in an industry consist (almost) exclusively of a class or group that is used to certain amenities and privileges as a norm, it is (or can be) very hard to get them to address issues of mistreatment or alienation that (seem to) primarily affect those who are not in that privileged class or group, especially when it comes to holding members of the same privileged class or group accountable for whatever role(s) they've played in said mistreatment and alienation.

[dkrook]

The connection is that when you have the upper echelons of leadership in an industry, those who make most if not all the major decisions as to who or what gets pushed forward or phased into the background, consist (almost) exclusively of straight white men, you get at best blind spots and at worst outright biases around race, nationality, gender identity, sexual orientation, religious affiliation, etc. that block people who aren't straight white men from opportunities for advancement in the industry. Hell, there's a Business Insider article (that's been followed up by some more comic-focused news sites, including CBR) where it's admitted that Marvel really did consider stripping Miles Morales --- one of the most successful and popular of the nonwhite legacy characters introduced in the last decade --- of his claim to the Spider-Man mantle and essentially downgrading him.

Now, that push to downgrade Miles obviously fell through, but the fact that it was even being seriously considered among the upper echelons of Marvel execs and/or editorial is a case study in why greater inclusivity and representation is needed at that level. And yes, when you have the upper echelons of talent and leadership in an industry consist (almost) exclusively of a class or group that is used to certain amenities and privileges as a norm, it is (or can be) very hard to get them to address issues of mistreatment or alienation that (seem to) primarily affect those who are not in that privileged class or group, especially when it comes to holding members of the same privileged class or group accountable for whatever role(s) they've played in said mistreatment and alienation.

Spoken with eloquence, insightful precision, and most importantly TRUTH! Thanks for the timely response fam! BTW agreed 110%!