While I get what you're saying, I also don't think it would be fair to Raz for Hank to just walk up and say "That's mine--give it back". Raz didn't take it from him; he was given it after proving himself worthy by helping stop Egghead. And Hank was "dead" at the time. I don't think Hank would actually come across very well to the readers by walking up and demanding his ID back from someone that has never done him any wrong.
I think if they were going to take that approach, they'd be better to have him do it with Darren Cross for the Yellowjacket identity. Cross is a villain, so Hank demanding to take his identity back from him would look better for him.
You are right that it doesn't necessarily have to be Hank that gets a new ID though. Just like Eric Josten became "Atlas" instead of Goliath, they could potentially come up with a new codename of Raz if they needed to.
Raz getting a new ID or even becoming a sort of tech-whiz could work for me. I have nothing against him, I don't wish for him to be written off, I would simply prefer that the Giant-Man ID would go back to Hank. It would also be completely possible for Raz himself to give the suit back, if Hank was to come back. I know that this is something that I would do. Like a "Now that you're back, you'll be needing this again" sort of thing. It would sure be better than Hank demanding his stuff back
The YJ identity has forever been tainted as a "bad guy" suit, thanks to the MCU and Cross taking it in the comics. I don't think I would be happy with Hank going back to it.
I don't remember either. From what I recall, he was hired by Egghead, and got shot before being able to do much of anything. Random is the right word for the mantle change.
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As soon as Raz was freed from the mind control device Egghead was using on him to force him to help, Raz went to the control console to shut down the robots that Egghead was attacking Hank and Scott with. Egghead pulled out a ray gun and threatened Raz with it if he didn't back away from the console. Raz kept working anyway, and managed to shut down the robots before Egghead shot him (thankfully for Raz it was only a stun blast).
So, as an ordinary civilian Raz risked his life and shut down the villain's robots. I'd say that was a decent heroic debut.
I like the flying shrinking zapper angle, but the Wasp(s) have already got that angle covered, and I feel like the giant thing is more 'his' special deal.
But I do prefer the 'Hank Pym' identity from West Coast Avengers (preferably without the terrible car mechanic jumpsuit thingie he wore back then), or something totally new, like an Ultron-armored form or one that uses a swarm of adamantium flying mechanical insect-bots or whatever.
Totally new would be coolest, I think, just because he's got a history of creating new identities and roles, from Ant-Man to Giant-Man to Yellowjacket. Moving on to something that incorporates his newer experiences with Ultron could be interesting.
I would be cool with Hank being Giant-Man and Raz getting a new superhero identity. Rhodey started out wearing the Iron Man suit, filling in for Tony and then later became War Machine when Tony came back. Characters can take on new identities. It isn't like Raz is super attached to the Giant-Man identity anyway. Giving Raz a new identity, costume and powerset would probably make him stand out more.
I like the Yellowjacket identity but it is probably more associated with villainy or morally tainted heroes now. It was the identity Hank had when he had a breakdown and hit Janet. It is the identity Rita Demara had when she debuted as a villain and was last seen being used by Darren Cross in the comics and movies.
Scott Lang is Ant-Man, Eric O'Grady is Black Ant, Erik Josten is Atlas, Hawkeye and the Fosters have claim to the Goliath identity. We have two Wasps and Cassie as Stinger/Stature.
Certainly there are no shortage of cool names for big dudes out there. Tom's using Goliath. Hank might want Giant-Man back. Raz could go to his Hindu background and use a word reflective of his culture, like Daitya, or, since the Daitya were in Hindu lore, bad-guys, opposed to the gods, Kumbhakarna, a specific Daitya who happened to be a warrior 'of good character' and not a 'bad-guy.'
That's understandable--Raz big heroic moment happened pretty quickly right at the end of the story; he spent most of the issue under Egghead's mind control device.
lol. Yeah, there really doesn't seem to be any set standard for that sort of thing. Rick Jones certainly did a lot more than that back in the day before Captain America finally consented to train him as an official sidekick.
But in this case it was Scott making the call--and clearly he was looking to pay forward the act of faith and generosity that Hank had shown towards him when he passed on the Ant-Man identity.
Cause it’s the most streamlined, and at this point Dr. Pym or Professor Pym is probably what people know him best as thanks to the movies. It’s just easier and clearer even to just refer to him as Dr. Henry Pym with how he’s jumped from so many identities, in addition to how many have taken over those identities. Superhero identities have kind of lost their purpose with him IMO. And his name itself is unique enough that i think it works. Plus it leaves them open to use Pym particles however one wants with him.
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If he were to retain all his powers (shrinking and growing himself and objects around him) I guess I wouldn't mind as much that he wouldn't have a superhero ID. I like Chamber Music's comment: when Stark came back as Iron Man, Rhodey gave the codename back and went to a new ID, so this is nothing new. I don't think that Hank would ask for it, knowing the character, but I do think this Raz guy should give it back.
As for what people know him best as because of the movies, I don't see this as an argument since casual moviegoers don't read comic books anyway, and those who read them already know who Hank is (or should, he's a founding member of the Avengers after all )
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I honestly think Giant Man should be a package deal with Ant-Man, since the world ANT is in the word GiANT. So he can be called Ant-Man when he's small to normal sized, and Ant-Man when he's big. Because there's no reason he should just shrink when he's Ant-Man and just grow when he's Giant Man.
But really, I'm in agreement Hank at this point probably doesn't need a code name. Really everyone calls him Hank Pym anyways. DId anyone actually call him Wasp when he was Wasp?