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    Default Loki Appreciation 2019



    Oh, looks like it's time to start a new version of the thread for our favorite god of mischief magic and mayhem....

    I mean, does anyone really read this first post? We all know who Loki is and what he's up to, yeah? We all know he's one of Marvel's top (ex)villains who is currently in the midst of a long running face turn? Okay then. So here's a link to the last page of the previous thread so we can continue on with the discussion:

    https://community.cbr.com/showthread...n-2018/page303
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    Okay. so he wasn't in Marvel Knights, but a surprise twist ending makes my speculation about Black Panther still plausible for the final issue. spoilers:
    so it looks like T'Challa was tasked with protecting the machine that caused the memory/perception alteration, but it was stolen... By Punisher, Hulk, Elektra and Daredevil. They CAUSED the whole mess in the first place. So now T'Challa has to fight them, and he could probably use an ally that also remembers what happened before...)
    end of spoilers

    He was also in Infinity Watch: Infinity (.... really?) but it was just leadin to the Wolverine thing. though i was a bit surprised and confused to see it was Phoenix Wolverine from the future that came for Loki, I had assumed it would be Wolverine in the present.
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    Attention, Marvelites! True hero and sweet baby Loki has been kidnapped by a hairy cosmic Canadian! To save #BestGod, he'll need your credit card number, the three numbers on the back, and the expiration month and year. Hurry, it’s not long before he gets drowned in beer!
    Our main character, a socially awkward outcast, gains newfound confidence and arrogance before committing a string of horrid acts. He then wears a fancy suit and proceeds to dance like a maniac to music that isn't actually there playing around him.

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    Loki. I forgot when was the first time I saw or heard about him. I think he, like Thor, is just a character you just know what he looks like from pop culture osmosis, and I don't mean Tom Hiddleston. I already know about his classic old trickster look long before MCU.

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    What I do remember is my first experience with him as an MCU character was from Marvel Ultimate Alliance. He's one of the later bosses fought together with Baron Mordo after Doom tricked them (heh) into transfering Odin's power to him.

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    Loki is the only boss in Ultimate Alliance who was actually climactic. Also, Larry Cedar's performance killed it harder than The Void. Best Loki voice.

    I'VE COME TO PAY MY RESPEKS, TO ODIN!!
    Our main character, a socially awkward outcast, gains newfound confidence and arrogance before committing a string of horrid acts. He then wears a fancy suit and proceeds to dance like a maniac to music that isn't actually there playing around him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    Attention, Marvelites! True hero and sweet baby Loki has been kidnapped by a hairy cosmic Canadian! To save #BestGod, he'll need your credit card number, the three numbers on the back, and the expiration month and year. Hurry, it’s not long before he gets drowned in beer!
    OMG, my poor sweet baby! Where do I send the money?

    I find the ending amusing. Future Phoenix Wolverine (because I am never not calling him that) gets sent back in time, presumably because everything went kablooey. So, if you get sent back in time, who's the very first person you'd track down (to the point where you are hunting for them through space)? I mean, Loki, obvs . Granted, I think it's implied that future Loki (I think we can rule out the necro-sword one) helped Future Phoenix Wolverine with the plan and the time shenanigans, which is why he trusts him. But Loki's not the answer you'd get if you asked most people. A lot of them would probably give you very odd looks, especially because a decent number of folk still think he's the villain (or so it seems).

    Wonder how this is going to tie into Aaron's work, especially because Future Phoenix Wolverine is in both, and Loki mentions the War of the Realms towards the end of the issue.

    Also, they are the most infinity stone-less Infinity Watch, ever. I almost want to say staying that way would be more successful, since they wouldn't be gathering the damn things in one place. Has anyone ever heard of walkie-talkies? Or the fact that the person with the mind stone is psychic? Anyways...

    The teaser trailer for War of the Realms didn't have any Loki in it I kind of think he's conspicuously absent, though. That's four books he's been in that tie into War of the Realms, now that he mentioned it in this issue (Asgardians of the Galaxy, Thor, foreshadowed here and in Avengers). I mean, I'm hoping Thor gets a strong showing, and regains Mjolnir (I'd rate as highly likely), but I also hope Loki gets a strong showing, too. Maybe they both can. After all, Loki's a plotter and planner where Thor is a heavy hitter, those are two different but complimentary roles. I'm guessing they're not showing him as much because they can't put him on Malekith's side (since Loki's betrayal is all but certain), but showing him with the heroes would spoil things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    Loki is the only boss in Ultimate Alliance who was actually climactic. Also, Larry Cedar's performance killed it harder than The Void. Best Loki voice.

    I'VE COME TO PAY MY RESPEKS, TO ODIN!!
    Oh, speaking of Loki in games, has anyone been keeping up with Avengers Academy? I dropped it after the monetization got utterly absurd, and apparently I wasn't alone, because it is shutting down soon. I may check back in to see how the story wraps up but am missing a chunk in the middle there...

    Also, Loki kicks quite a bit of ass in Marvel Strike force, especially if you have his Ragnarok costume. Which was a nice change after he was fun to play but poorly balanced (in the weak direction) in Marvel Heroes (also now shut down). Before they kinda broke him, and a lot of other characters, towards the end there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    Attention, Marvelites! True hero and sweet baby Loki has been kidnapped by a hairy cosmic Canadian! To save #BestGod, he'll need your credit card number, the three numbers on the back, and the expiration month and year. Hurry, it’s not long before he gets drowned in beer!
    I mean, there are worse ways to go, I guess...

    Quote Originally Posted by Riimi View Post
    OMG, my poor sweet baby! Where do I send the money?

    I find the ending amusing. Future Phoenix Wolverine (because I am never not calling him that) gets sent back in time, presumably because everything went kablooey. So, if you get sent back in time, who's the very first person you'd track down (to the point where you are hunting for them through space)? I mean, Loki, obvs . Granted, I think it's implied that future Loki (I think we can rule out the necro-sword one) helped Future Phoenix Wolverine with the plan and the time shenanigans, which is why he trusts him. But Loki's not the answer you'd get if you asked most people. A lot of them would probably give you very odd looks, especially because a decent number of folk still think he's the villain (or so it seems).

    Wonder how this is going to tie into Aaron's work, especially because Future Phoenix Wolverine is in both, and Loki mentions the War of the Realms towards the end of the issue.

    Also, they are the most infinity stone-less Infinity Watch, ever. I almost want to say staying that way would be more successful, since they wouldn't be gathering the damn things in one place. Has anyone ever heard of walkie-talkies? Or the fact that the person with the mind stone is psychic? Anyways...

    The teaser trailer for War of the Realms didn't have any Loki in it I kind of think he's conspicuously absent, though. That's four books he's been in that tie into War of the Realms, now that he mentioned it in this issue (Asgardians of the Galaxy, Thor, foreshadowed here and in Avengers). I mean, I'm hoping Thor gets a strong showing, and regains Mjolnir (I'd rate as highly likely), but I also hope Loki gets a strong showing, too. Maybe they both can. After all, Loki's a plotter and planner where Thor is a heavy hitter, those are two different but complimentary roles. I'm guessing they're not showing him as much because they can't put him on Malekith's side (since Loki's betrayal is all but certain), but showing him with the heroes would spoil things.
    I don't think anyone has one of the stones, except the time stone. didn't Adam Warlock give them all free will so they could just go wherever and do whatever? so I'd imagine Loki and Wolverine's task will be to track down where the stones went.

    And yeah, there's clearly some time travel shenanigans going on, which may tie into my thought that "Kid Loki" may not be a creation of our present day Loki, but rather created by Loki in the future, and then sent back in time. Maybe. It's hard to say for sure. And I think it all must connect to the War of the Realms somehow, but I think a lot of things are leading into or tying into War of the Realms. They say it's one of their biggest events ever, so even if he hadn't been shown to be neck deep in the leadup so far, I think it would be extremely surprising if he wasn't taking part, considering it seems like even characters that have very little connection to Asgard, such as Daredevil are participating. (actually, come to think of it, on the Marvel Knights speculation, those characters were on the teaser image, weren't they? well, except Elektra. hm...)


    ps. I edited the OP with a picture, seemed like a good one since it shows lots of different Lokis. I may edit later to actually include something more about him. I just wanted to get the thread started because it was wednesday, and I am a bit busy lately because I am moving in like a week and a half.
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    KidLoki being a creation of Loki from the future? It could work, I'm cool with this. It's almost too sensible.


    My guess is that Loki won't tie in with the main books for War of the Realms except for the big issues, but instead we'll see his actions in Infinity whatever it is now.

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    But this was just a oneshot, and it seems like it was tacked on at the last second since it wasn't listed in the earlier checklists at all, and Bagley's art looks kinda rushed to me, and if you're rushing Bagley of all people, who is a very fast artist, the turnaround on this thing had to be tight. Infinity stuff is blessedly over, aside from the Wolverine thing, which will be just 5 issues, and I would be extremely surprised if that was the only tie Loki had to the event. Especially after all Aaron has done with him, and there are still unresolved plot threads with Loki that can only really be covered in Thor or War of the Realms proper. Remember, War of the Realms isn't just an event, it is the end of Aaron's run, he's got things he has to resolve in it as a result, and the stuff with both Loki and his family (mainly Freyja and Thor) and Laufey and the question of his biological parentage should be in there. Also the stuff with Malekith, if Loki's going to stab him in the back anywhere, it will be in one of the core books (Thor or War of the Realms, maybe Avengers) not some side-thing that will be half over before the event even starts. There is also the stuff with Black Panther figuring out his motivations, and i think more is probably going to come of that in either Thor (that's where he first said anything about it) or Avengers (where T'Challa normally appears). I suspect his lack of presence in the promo material is just because it would be spoilery.
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    Loki is integral to the War of the Realms, both on a diagetic (in-world) level and on a meta (out-of-world) level. Basically, removing him from that story means that everything that has been set up in the story would need to be set up all over again, and that applies beyond the direct Loki stuff that Raye just outlined. The main conflict of the whole story lays with Loki and what he knows and does, in both Thor and Avengers.

    It certainly has gotten messier because Loki is just in frickin' everything, but he's core to the War of the Realms story and it, really, is core to where the character goes from here. War of the Realms is a story about Loki, where Loki's character and motivations and evolution are integral, whereas Infinite Infinities: The Infinite Infinity is a story with Loki just ... in it.

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    Yeah, Loki was so integral to the leadup, and it affected him on a personal level to such an extent, that I just can't see Aaron pawning off the resolution to these sub-plots on some other writer. Or even how that would be possible without simply dropping key plots within War of the Realms. (even if the Wolverine thing wouldn't have just 2 or 3 issues left in it by the time War of the Realms even started) I mean, we have Loki having or choosing to work with Laufey, his biological father, with some hints dropped that there is something up with his bilogical parentage. And then with Malekith, the guy behind everything that's happening, there is, just.... everything. Loki's in things up to his eyeballs with Malekith, has been since his first appearance under Aaron's run, literally from the very first panel, and it is strongly hinted that he will be betraying him at some point. You can't just have that end with no resolution. Loki "working with" Malekith, all the things he's done, but accompanied by moping, the implication being made that though he appeared to be doing bad things, things which he doesn't enjoy doing, he did them anyway because he saw it as acting towards a greater good, and had a largely good end goal and betrayal of Malekith in mind. Not a position i necessarily agree with, but... it's what he thinks. The whole "Loki is doing bad things for a good purpose" thing was started in Thor, as a part of the War of the Realms leadup, and it should be resolved there. Other writers have used this characterization, sure, but they were following what Aaron was doing, and i think it should be Aaron who brings that part of the story to a close. Maybe not resolve it entirely, or bring that whole characterization to an end, but at least address it some more, make it absolutely clear what he was doing and why. These are integral parts of the leadup and I just can't see them being abandoned, if they are abandoned that would be a huge fuckup on Aaron's part in my eyes. I also don't think they can be adequately addressed in a couple key issues, it's something that ought to be running through the narrative in a persistent way.

    TLDR; I'd bet money on Loki being a very major part of the main War of the Realms book.

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    Asgardians of the Galaxy preview:

    https://screenrant.com/marvel-comics...alaxy-preview/

    He's talking like he wants to team up with her for something dastardly, but we saw last issue that he actually went to Thor to get his help, so not too worried about that, I'm sure he is just trying to manipulate her. And he even seems to have given up on that by his final couple speech balloons.

    Also next week is Jessica Jones returning from hiatus, I still think there is a chance he may be involved there because of that strange Asgardian artifact, (why he did that tho? I dunno) but if there is a (lettered. they've released some art a while back) preview i haven't found it.

    Loki didn't appear in any of this week's comics that I saw, but I still think he may be joining the Agents of Wakanda, I get the feeling we didn't see everyone in Thor and Avengers, and he's probably a later recruit anyway, assuming he does get recruited there. But the Asgardians now know of Malekith's Bifrost, so it remains to be seen if they learn of Loki's involvement there, and hopefully we learn why exactly Loki did that.

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    Huh, this is a bit of a twist: Squirrel Girl is breaking her streak of not getting involved in events, and joining The War Of The Realms. Apparently Loki has some kind of secret mission for her? Neat, it's always good to see him in that book. Although it's funny that this is his first really confirmed role the event.

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    We did have kidLoki in Asgardians. Thor knows, but he didn't try and murder him...progress! (?)

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    "Fatherly love is not something with which Loki Laufeyson is terribly familiar. Still, you’d think that with the Frost Giants invading New York in Malekith’s WAR OF THE REALMS, he’d find some quality time to spend with dear old deadly Dad. And he will. But not in the way you’d think…"

    the baby is getting a WOTR spotlight issue drawn by del mundo oh thankyew marble comics thank you for my life
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