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    So Kibblesmith has done yet another podcast, but there is an interesting twist this time because it is Kibblesmith AND Al Ewing together, at NYCC. The two Loki writers on one podcast. (even tho Ewing is mostly there to talk Hulk and GotG). tho they seem to have caught them at the trail end of the convention so they are both super tired, and I am gonna be honest, it shows, they both seem kinda out of it.

    https://soundcloud.com/user-51813809...el-kibblesmith

    It was mostly chit chat, with not much new revealed but a couple notable bits:

    - Ewing talks Guardians of the Galaxy a little bit, but says he still has some secrets after NYCC, so him being the Guardian writer isn't all of it. But he says he is now 'the ruler of space' so you know, that's nice for him. Ewing steps away and then Kibblesmith keeps going about the guardians stuff so he seems to know what the situation is there, so I'm wondering if Loki is involved, considering that's his only book and all.

    - They talk cosplay, they both have seen many Lokis. And an impressive Hulkbuster.

    - Loki is a cowboy now. says it is a 'flashback story' so it may not be time travel, exactly? He continues, explaining that the bargain struck with Now and Then 'affects how he moves through time. It decompressed his past in a sort of accordion way' so it sounds like it's not time travel so much as some of the new blank pages being filled in.

    - Ewing says he is surprised at how well Hulk is doing, but grateful

    - Ewing says he is enjoying what Kibblesmith is doing with Loki. (while talking about the logistics of using a character that is thought of as primarily another writer's turf/creation) and says Kibblesmith never came to him, and he never went to Kieron to get the OK on their takes on Loki, that you have to have confidence in your own work and take on a character, and that it's probably better to not consult with previous writers of the characters to ensure you are bringing something new to the character and doing your take rather than someone elses. Kibblesmith elaborates that he had read everything that came before with Loki but that, no, he did not consult with Ewing or anything, and that he says the 'goal is synthesis, giving it a forward thrust so it can keep going, and not become a nostalgia project' Even though he goes on to say he was a big fan of AoA and JiM, he 'didn't want to write fan-fiction about it'

    - Guy says that Loki is getting more buzz recently and that people are starting to take notice of it, and what does he think of the reaction. Kibblesmith says it has been very positive so far, and that he's a well liked character, so that's 'not always a sure thing' when you start a new run with any well loved character, you run the risk of alienating fans. Guy interjects again saying that Al and Daniel are both kinda doing the same thing with Loki and Hulk, in that they are reinventing the characters, al is bringing the Hulk back to his roots but spinning off in a (creepy) new direction and 'adding something new and modern' to that, and Daniel is doing the same with Loki, and he says he feels these reinventions are necessary. (the nostalgia focused fans would not agree with that, but I do)

    - Ewing says that with these characters you can 'drill down into some primal core of the character, and as long as you keep that, you can build a lot on top of that' talks some more about Hulk, and finishes by agreeing with the host about how characters need to be reinvented from time to time, and that it would be boring if they were 'cookie cutter' all the time. (so basically both Kibblesmith and Ewing are about finding the core, then moving forward with that as a foundation rather than just repeating the same thing over and over. Which I fully support, that is one of the things that appeals to me about Loki in particular these past 10-15 years or so)

    - Host asks Kibblesmith what is the one change he's brought to Loki so far in the series that he is most proud of? (tho only 4 issues had been released at this point so...) Kibblesmith says he's 'hoping for a slow burn on this one' (I think that is the closest we have gotten yet to 'no, it's not cancelled' given that it was said at the end of NYCC. Can't do a slow burn with only 5 issues.) but says that issue 3, and the whole bargain with Now and Then deal. Says we haven't seen the ramifications of that, but that he thinks it will end up being bigger than just an excuse to do flashback issues. Even tho he says issue 5 is a 'really fun sort of untold tale' so yeah, not actually time travel. But that the change will affect him on a 'biological level. He is a disrupted person now.' and that he feels Loki is in part 'defined by getting in over his head' and that this is their version of that.
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    The "biological level" part makes me wonder about the part of the last issue where Nightmare does manage hit Loki and make him bleed. And then later, we see a Loki wiping the blood from his cheek, but he also looks at it
    Was the bleeding not stopping? Is Loki really not used to seeing himself bleed?

    With everything going on, yeah, I'm guessing neither writer is getting much sleep LOL

    Happy that Ewing is gaining more power and all, because that man WILL connect everything and make sure everything aligns, but damn is that exhausting. The amount of not just writing, but also just general research he must be doing just sounds insane.

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    I just thought Loki was shocked that Nightmare attacked him with a stop sign. I'm sure Loki has bled before.

    Some interesting parts in that interview. I like that Kibblesmith is moving forward with Loki, as much as I love AOA and JIM etc. the character needs to move on but I also like that he hasn't forgotten his roots in those stories either as they are referenced.

    I excited to see where the ramifications will go with Loki changing the past, at least his past, and what effects it will have on him in the present.

    Tbh I don't think Kibblesmith will come out and say it wasn't cancelled because that could create a whole mess if it was suddenly cancelled. Comics like any other media can be cancelled at any time and a writer one day could say it isn't cancelled, and that day it wasn't, but the next day it suddenly was. It would create chaos. Better to say nothing and let the announcement, whether or if it's ever cancelled to do the speaking that way you don't get some accusing you of lying or things like that. I say some with emphasis here but sometimes the minority seem to be the loudest at times.

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    We know Loki has bled before, we saw it not just in other issues in the past, but in the flashback in the same issue. To the same place on his face, even. so i think maybe it just made him think of that time. I also just think it was a reminder to him that he doesn't like to solve his problems with physical conflict. Thor is just fine with wading in and punching things until they stop moving, Loki likes to take a more hands off approach. He doesn't like to 'play rough' which isn't the Asgardian way.

    And yeah, I liked what they both had to say about moving forward. I have liked a lot of takes in the past, particularly recently, but that doesn't mean I want him to get stuck in one place, I can still enjoy those past takes without him repeating himself forever. there are some characters that have a pretty simple core and MO, and kinda work best if you stick to that, like Punisher, or Superman or whoever. And that works fine for them. (tho even those types of characters evolve somewhat to keep them relevant, just not a huge amount) but some other characters, and Loki is one of them, work best if they are constantly moving forward an evolving. In Loki's case in particular, int he past 10 years or so, his desire to change and escape fate has become a core part of his character, so to have him just revert to some old status quo would seem like a betrayal of his character to me. Now, there are some limits, I don't want him doing massive character shifts every other year, I do still want a sense of logical progression and for it to progress at a somewhat slow pace so we can sort of get a sense of where he's at and where he wants to go kind of thing, and I think there are limits to how far you can go with his change before he doesn't feel like Loki anymore. (though if the change is organic enough, you can go pretty far, like, what we have now is not much like what we had in the early days, in a lot of ways. But some core traits do remain like the above mentioned desire to refrain from physical conflict if he can avoid it, instead relying on others to do his dirty work ro trickery of some kind, or magic)

    And I don't think he will come out and directly say it was/wasn't cancelled, especially if there is something odd going on like a relaunch to tie in with the Thor book, but NYCC was after the rumors began because of the skipped solicit, so if he's still saying he's going for a long game there, I think it's safe to say that means there are more issues coming in one way or another.

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    So how do we think Fiege being named King of Marvel will work for Loki? Is Loki safer than he was already? Or is Fiege likely to revert Loki?

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