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    It was cool to see Lokinin action, but I felt like the way he did things were still very Loki. He doesn't actually attack anyone, but manipulates Drrf into being the "hero," thereby making Drrf "strong" enough not to need his constant attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Whoops. 12 pages from Loki #1 were in some copies of Age of X-Man: Apocalypse and the X-Tracts #5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riimi View Post
    I read some of his lines with a very (very) dry humor, mostly the parts about being a hero (though that may well be reader's interpretation, dry humor is especially hard to convey well in writing). Mostly because suddenly becoming a hero like this and saying "yup, I'm a hero now" seems a bit funny, but hey, it's working! And I imagine Loki would be in on that joke. We'll see if that's the case, though.

    The nice thing is bugging me. I've been pretty much on board for Loki being a hero, but I somehow didn't expect him to be all nice. Part of my problem is how sudden the shift seems. I keep having to remind myself it's a different writer and thus a different person's vision, not a case of character development done offscreen. Maybe Kibblesmith did want to manage expectations and show that this is a changed Loki, it just seems very jarring in contrast to Aaron's Loki.

    Loki came out of that issue "reading" very heroic (Heroic, with a capital, even!). That I'm fine with (you don't have to be nice to be a hero imo, so these two points aren't in conflict according to my own internal logic). spoilers:

    He saved Drrf from the other Frost Giants (it seemed to me like he somehow knew where he had to be and what he had to do, which adds additional ammo to the time shenanigan question). Then, there was the symbolism of ruling not by the sword but by the shield. Note: I liked this part, I thought it was a cool twist to an old concept that conveyed its message to the audience while making a nice soundbite. (By which I mean, I really liked it!) The whole concept of protecting and defending instead of ruling through aggression and fear is very heroic and an interesting look for Loki.
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    Yeah, I think he can still be kinda snarky and even mean sometimes and still be a good guy. Good is not Nice. But to be fair, he was talking to a child for the most part. we will see how things go when talking to Thor or Iron Man, someone who can better take a bit of snark.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    It was cool to see Lokinin action, but I felt like the way he did things were still very Loki. He doesn't actually attack anyone, but manipulates Drrf into being the "hero," thereby making Drrf "strong" enough not to need his constant attention.
    I don't think he consciously manipulated the situation. Or not entirely anyway. While i think he may have intended to be in the right place at the right time via time shenanigans or whatever, I think he really did intend to defend Drrf himself, rather than the other way around. Drrf just grabbed his arm, breaking his concentration. (similar to when Thor spoiled Loki's teleport spell in Thor. Magic needs concentration, and if broken things can go wrong) captions in the scene said that HE needed to be bigger, and then later that things didn't go as he had intended, even if they did work out in the end. It was an accident, that I think may have influenced how Loki intends to go about things. Drrf showed Loki that defending rather than attacking (his usual method in the past) could work out better.

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    Preview!

    http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com...review-loki-1/

    Loki himself is not in it for terribly long, since it is largely setup and exposition explaining the ending of WotR and all, but from what little we see, i think he feels more like himself, so that's good.

    And as one might guess, he seems to be bored with the throne. From the captions in the beginning, I think it's likely less the duties and more the stasis of it that's eating at him. He's not one that likes to sit still.
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    Well, we knew that he wouldn't stick around too long, especially since he's back to being a hero and a good looking one at that. He has his swagger back, something I didn't really realize I was missing until this preview.

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    Well, he had hints of it, when he first had that encounter with Jane, a bit with his speech ot Laufey and him beating that gauntlet of Frost Giants, but after Freyja.... yeah, he was mopey as all hell. I really can't blame him for wanting to have a bit of fun.

    And i mean this is one time that they are showing, let's wait and see how frequent these little excursions are before we declare him an awful ruler. From the sounds of it he has made some changes and all, so he must be doing something.

    Also, I am betting this 'urgent' matter they are coming to him with is actually something fairly trivial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raye View Post
    Well, he had hints of it, when he first had that encounter with Jane, a bit with his speech ot Laufey and him beating that gauntlet of Frost Giants, but after Freyja.... yeah, he was mopey as all hell. I really can't blame him for wanting to have a bit of fun.

    And i mean this is one time that they are showing, let's wait and see how frequent these little excursions are before we declare him an awful ruler. From the sounds of it he has made some changes and all, so he must be doing something.

    Also, I am betting this 'urgent' matter they are coming to him with is actually something fairly trivial.
    What's trivial to Loki and us might not be so trivial to them, especially since they're recovering from a war and are trying to basically create a completely new culture most of them have never experienced and which they probably looked at with scorn.

    I think one lesson Loki learned during Aaron's run is that he likes luxury, he is very used to a certain lifestyle and I'm honestly wondering if Loki isn't trying to improve his home realm because he, well, wants to be able to enjoy that same level of luxury there as well.

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    I'm betting it's a dispute over a goat or something. Like, really and truly trivial and banal. After the Omega issue I am not expecting these 3, but Sickle in particular, to be the reasonable sort. These 3 particular giants have already shown themselves to be pretty awful individuals, who are looking for an excuse to undermine Loki.

    ... and I don't think that's the lesson he learned in Aaron's run at all. O.o like.... really? I mean he does, sure, but it isn't something he had to learn here, he's always been that way... just... really? He went through all that moping around with Laufey after stabbing Freyja, and had a self sacrificial moment at the end and killed Laufey in his symbolic rebirth, and all he took away from that is that he likes the finer things in life? Not that he regretted the methods he chose to employ? or realizing that the family he actually cared about were the ones who raised him rather than the ones who birthed him? nothing like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raye View Post
    I'm betting it's a dispute over a goat or something. Like, really and truly trivial and banal. After the Omega issue I am not expecting these 3, but Sickle in particular, to be the reasonable sort. These 3 particular giants have already shown themselves to be pretty awful individuals, who are looking for an excuse to undermine Loki.

    ... and I don't think that's the lesson he learned in Aaron's run at all. O.o like.... really? I mean he does, sure, but it isn't something he had to learn here, he's always been that way... just... really? He went through all that moping around with Laufey after stabbing Freyja, and had a self sacrificial moment at the end and killed Laufey in his symbolic rebirth, and all he took away from that is that he likes the finer things in life? Not that he regretted the methods he chose to employ? or realizing that the family he actually cared about were the ones who raised him rather than the ones who birthed him? nothing like that?
    You know, people can learn multiple lessons. And yeah, Loki brought up a few times about the feasts in Asgard. Plus his little mouse hole was full of games and stuff. Part of Loki's depression was clearly that he wasn't dressing as nicely as he used to.

    So, yeah, I think Loki relearned that he likes fancy things. He also learned about the value of family and honor and how being evil sucks, but he also learned that he likes fancy things.

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    Okay, I liked his voice and the overall tone better here (from what I saw in the few short pages). I was really missing Loki's "edge" before, but I thought it was there in this preview. I was kind of thrown off by him being charming, but I think that's just the recent stint (Aaron's) affecting me, traditionally he's someone who can charm or talk his way out of anything. (I found Aaron's Loki to be a bit too caustic in his snark for personal tastes, but I mostly attribute it to him being deeply depressed).

    As far as his absence from Jotunheim goes--really, I don't think he's suited for the job, at all (or, alternatively, that the job's not good for him). Not because of anything bad, per se. I think he's learned a lot of lessons about being a better person and I think that's part of why he took the throne in the first place. Sure, there's his competition with Thor (I don't think that's stopped, though hopefully it's stopped being poisonous), who just got a throne, and there's the whole "take that!" to Laufey and even the other Frost Giants, but I think if that was all, once the initial novelty wore off, he'd leave and go off to do something else. I think he's staying and trying to be a good ruler because it's "the right thing to do", but he hates it. So, he finds excuses to leave. Let's face it: he likes novelty and mischief. Being a King has little opportunities for such things. Spying really fit him, imo.
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    Well, like i said above, I think the problem here isn't so much the duties, I think he's well capable of that, it's the stasis. Loki has always been a very proactive character, he likes to act rather than react, he likes to push things forward, not just stay in place waiting for things to happen. some of this is his history as a villain kind of conflicting with how the heroes in the MU usually work. they usually react to and defend against the villains who are the ones on the offensive, and i don't think he's left that aspect behind, i think he feels kind of lost if he is not actively trying to move things forward somehow. And if you look at some things Kibblesmith has said and the captions on the page there, he's not about getting a happily ever after, he'd find that dull. He wants to be perpetually in the middle part of the story, where all the interesting stuff happens, or maybe a new beginning, but not the end where things get tied up in a nice neat little bow. But I think Thor at least is framing this as a happily ever after, where he's like they beat Malekith and now it will just be this status quo they have going.... forever... and Loki's not going to like that. Hopefully he doesn't resort to doing something bad to spice things up, but Nightmare attacking may prevent that from happening. But even if he could find a way to look at the situation in a new light as a beginning rather than en end, he may be able to find more interest in it.

    *edited to add - and because of all that, I bet you that this trip to the casino isn't just for fun. Judging by the captions about it being run by a 'squeaky clean' philanthropist, and that it's someone we have heard of, I'm kinda thinking he's there to do something to show they are not as squeaky clean as they may appear. Proactive rather than reactive heroing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosebunse View Post
    So, yeah, I think Loki relearned that he likes fancy things. He also learned about the value of family and honor and how being evil sucks, but he also learned that he likes fancy things.
    I just don't think it's something he had to 'relearn' I don't think that aspect ever really left, even if he neglected himself for a bit. Nor do i think it was anything that was terribly important to the run. It's just... he likes nice things, it's always been that way, probably always will.
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    I guess the "squeaky clean philantropist" will turn out to be Tony Stark.
    Also, brunettes are definitely his type.

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    That might be, though I dunno how much i see 'underground casino' being part of Tony's deal. And not sure how it could tie the issues together, given what we have seen of the rest of issue 1.

    Okay, so he starts out at the casino, obviously, from this preview here. But we know from the unlettered preview pages that after that he doesn't transition right from casino to issue 2 with Tony. He meets up with Thor somehow, possibly I am guessing Thor hears of his casino shenanigans and takes him back to Jotunheim, he yells at Drrf, presumably because he told them where Loki went. Then he does king things for a bit, dealing with this 'urgent' issue the 3 giants have. Then he sets up his snowman, much to Thor's chagrin. Though my original thought was that it was an autonomous golem, an assistant of sorts, he kinda has Drrf for that, so I am guessing now the stones he uses for the eyes and buttons are magic and will allow him to see through it's eyes, so he can sort of be two places at once and keep an eye on things directly. Anyway, they do that, then I think they may go back to Midgard, and Nightmare attacks, (putting Loki on the defensive, a place he doesn't like to be, as mentioned) THEN Tony in issue 2.

    so yeah. While Tony is a possibility, I don't think the Casino and the second issue are necessarily linked, because there is other unrelated stuff in between. they might be. But just saying there is stuff in between the two things so they could be totally separate.

    And yeah, lately Loki does seem to favor brunettes. But back in the day he liked blondes. Sigyn was blonde, for instance.
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    Who else could it be with that casino? Kingpin?

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    he is mayor of New York right now so is trying to project an aura of having gone straight. (even though it is all an act) also, if it is Kingpin, that could bring him into Daredevil's sphere. He may be figuring he's paying back a favor for the sword.
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