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    I mean I don't think they will do it, it's just I wonder what would be worst. But I think apart from certain Thor fans who wants things back to the way they were or fans of the classic comic format, I don't think most want the old Loki back. Loki wasn't exactly a popular character and he was very one-dimensional on top of that. It wasn't until Kid-Loki that Loki started to gain popularity and of course the movies help as well but not all movie fans are comic book fans though.

    If we are going by writers though, Loki is sort of like a gold mine now for writers because you can literally do anything with his character and it won't look out of place. You can have drama with Loki, tragedy with Loki, comedy with Loki etc. etc. etc. You can put in him the avengers but you can also put him in Squirrel girl. There are just so many possibilities that writers can do with Loki now that they couldn't do with evil Loki and wouldn't be able to do if they revert him back.
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    So on the Is Johnny Storm Bi thread, it turned into one about Dr. Doom, which of course led to a discussion about him dating Lady Loki and the sex-slave thing.

    So my question is...how long would a marriage between Lady Loki and Doom have lasted before one of them tried to kill the other?

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    So having another look at the solicits, I did find something I had missed before that points to either cancellation OR a change of artists. Oscar Bazaldua is drawing Spider-Man 35 and 36. So he's most likely off Loki in one way or another, if he is filling in on Spider-Man. Still holding out hope for a change of artist though, we will see if anything is said at NYCC.

    And speaking of the fans of the classic stuff, Avengers: Loki Unleashed came out today. Can't say I was particularly interested in it, but did give it a look, and it was neck deep in continuity porn, I really don't see the point of it to be honest, because it didn't add anything, no new twist that will show up to bite them in the ass in the present or anything. But basically, Loki decides he needs power to rule Asgard, and he goes to a planet called Yann to find it, after telling Sigyn to watch over him and be his anchor back to Asgard, but things go wrong. Sigyn goes to Thor for help, coincidentally, Dr Strange shows up at right that moment to tell them that he sensed a disturbance on Yann between a sorcerer he's fought before called Sise-Neg and Loki. they teleport there, find them fighting, Loki's proposing an alliance, but Sise-neg is having none of it. the Avengers fight some giant bats in a filler fight, while Thor confronts Loki and the other guy, and gets blasted by both for his trouble. Sise-Neg tries to drain Loki of his powers after Loki tries to trick him, Monica intervenes, Loki ends up encased in rock from a spell meant for Monica, the Avengers fight Sise-neg for a bit, the Living Tribunal shows up, says Sise-Neg should be thrown back in time because he has a destiny to fulfill that can't be hindered, (he is responsible for the Big Bang) and determines Loki has been humbled which is a fitting punishment and that he also has a destiny to come, so lets him go, and sends everyone back to where they came from. so yeah, it's basically just a throwback issue of the Avengers.

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    I don't think it has to point to either cancellation or new artist. It can also point to the reason it's being delayed. I mean looking at Amazing Spiderman, it seems to change it's artist every few issues. I think a delay is more likely here than anything mostly due to the new Thor book. Also I can't help but feel that they would have said something by now if it was cancelled. It's been a week.

    I wonder what the living tribunal meant by he has a destiny to come.
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    Yes, Spider-Man has a lot of fillins, and to be fair to Ottley, Spider-Man IS a bi-weekly book most of the time, so that's 40 pages a month, not many artists could handle that solo. But they don't generally pull them off of other books if it would delay those books in order to do so, they use artists that are not currently attached to another book, or ones that are just super fast and can handle the extra load. (though again, that is a rarity these days, when fans expect more detailed art. That is still 40 pages a month to do 2 books at once, could bring it down to 30 or so if it wasn't a regular thing and they had some leadin on the fillin book, it's still a tremendous amount of work for one person) And Bazaldua is actually a pretty good style-match for Ottley, so it kinda makes sense to pair them. So this may be worrying because it may mean the book was cancelled, so they put him on Spider-Man either to alternate with Ottley on a permanent basis or until they figure out where else to put him, OR they decided to change artists on Loki so he's off the book and someone else is replacing him, but they need a bit of time to work up designs or whatever.

    And honestly, the destiny was framed more like he was needed to maintain the balance between good and evil, and seemed more like just a handwave to explain why everything just went back to how it started (aside from Lorelei being sent to Alfheim in the beginning) and Loki getting off with no consequences.

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    Yeah, but if Loki was cancelled why hasn't there been any announcement or word yet? Surely we would have heard something by now? There is no reason for this delay in announcing it.

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    That's why I said or artist change. I am not saying this definitely points to cancellation, but it is a worrying sign that may indicate that. But there are still other possibilities. A cancellation for Loki seems too abrupt after issue 5, and we heard (through the writer, but still, not as though Kibblesmith isn't active on Twitter) of the cancellation of Future Foundation much sooner, so yeah I'd have expected him to say something at the very least. And if if he is getting the Thor role, you'd think that they'd give it a little time to turn around once news got out. Or maybe it's being relaunched (not unheard of, Squirrel Girl got relaunched after just a few issues) to reflect the change, and a new artist is coming aboard for that, or something, i dunno.

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    Yeah, there does seem to be a few possibilities besides artist change or cancellation. I think it's just frustrating though. I think it would be better if we just know either way, waiting is always the worst. On the artist note, looking at Babs Tarr's work, I really wouldn't mind her coming to do Loki.

    I don't know but lately, besides Bazaldua, artist have kind of made Loki look too old, imo anyway. I don't mean he has to be extremely good looking but Loki should only look around 21-25 but yet sometimes he looks much older. That's just me though.
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    Classic art by Werner Roth from Venus #12 (February, 1951):


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    Lol, I was just about to comment how I like Baldazua's work in Loki in all but one thing: all men look too young. I know Loki is now supposed to be in early 20s, but still, I prefer when he has some shadows and/or lines on his face rather that looking all perfect.
    I laughed my ass off reading Raye's summery. "Sise" meand "boobs" in my language. Now I'm imaginig Loki dealing with giant sentient pair of titties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karabaja View Post
    Lol, I was just about to comment how I like Baldazua's work in Loki in all but one thing: all men look too young. I know Loki is now supposed to be in early 20s, but still, I prefer when he has some shadows and/or lines on his face rather that looking all perfect.
    I laughed my ass off reading Raye's summery. "Sise" meand "boobs" in my language. Now I'm imaginig Loki dealing with giant sentient pair of titties.
    Oh, I didn't mean he should look perfect. I like a bit of edge to Loki but at times he looks way older than he should look, like in Vote Loki. I suppose you could chalk this down to it being a disguise though, I could see Loki making himself look older to be taken more seriously in this regard.

    That is quite funny
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    Read the Boobs-neg issue and loved it. The art is lovely, too. That ih how I prefer Loki's facial features.

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    I like some eyecandy with Loki, that is part of the appeal for me, I admit it. I think he should be handsome AF. I am cool with grunging him up some, and giving him a bit of an edge, rather than a pristine pretty boy, and I don't think he should look like some teenager like some seem to want, but I like the good looking take on him now. So the depiction in the issue today, while it made perfect sense for when it was set, and not as ugly as some depictions, isn't how I like him. I'm also just not big on the old style of writing at all, so this really didn't do much for me. As I said above, I just fail to see the point. It had nothing to add, nothing to say. That may be hard to pull off with one issue, sure, but then that raises the question of why? though I guess I knew going in I really was not the target audience for this, but i had the chance to check it out anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lambadelta View Post
    Yeah, there does seem to be a few possibilities besides artist change or cancellation. I think it's just frustrating though. I think it would be better if we just know either way, waiting is always the worst. On the artist note, looking at Babs Tarr's work, I really wouldn't mind her coming to do Loki.
    Her work is really expressive and modern, and she has a fantastic eye for fashion, and given that Kibblesmith seems to want to play dressup with Loki, an eye for fashion would probably be a good trait to have on this book. But... I did discover the other night why she hasn't been doing much comics work lately. or rather, it's that she is doing comics work, but it won't be published for a while yet. They did 2 volumes of Motor Crush as single issues, but the third volume is going right to trade, she said doing 20 pages a month, every month, was too stressful, or events came up that precluded a monthly schedule right then. So they're just doing direct to trade and she has, presumably, been plugging away at it all this time. but impossible to tell how much of it she has done, if she could take on a new project at this point or not. but just because she may unfortunately not be available for more than some covers doesn't mean there aren't other options that would work great.
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    Yeah, I love handsome AF Loki as well and I agree he shouldn’t look like a teenager. I think though he only really looked like a teenager in YA, I think that is why a lot of fans refer to him as Teen Loki, when in fact he was actually aged up to 21. AOA, Loki looked young, but he did look like he was in his early 20’s rather than a teenager.

    I think though, the reason Loki was portrayed as ugly, apart from a couple of instances, was because of the fact he was a villain and evil. I mean even when he possessed the body of Sif, they made Loki look uglier than what Sif normally looked. I think it’s that old trope of good characters are meant to be good-looking while evil characters are meant to be ugly AF. I mean there aren’t many heroes you can exactly call ugly and there are very few villains you can call good-looking. I think the only two that comes to mind, who aren’t really evil villains or villains now at all really, are Magneto and Emma Frost.

    Which is why I think when Loki pulled old Loki’s mask off in AOA, that was what he really looked like, at least the good version of him.

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    The problem about "good loking " is that it's very subjective. For me, Loki in today's issue was handsome AF, with only long hair missing to be perfect.

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