Ommadon: “By summoning all the dark powers I will infest the spirit of man So that he uses his science and logic to destroy himself. Greed and avarice shall prevail, and those who do not hear my words shall pay the price. I'll teach man to use his machines, I'll show him what distorted science can give birth to. I'll teach him to fly like a fairy, and I'll give him the ultimate answer to all his science can ask. And the world will be free for my magic again.”
To pull one issue you raised in the other thread and place it back here you said this
That’s is a very valid point. But the thing is, all of these characters were made during a very specific period of comic book history, or were inspired by that explosion of comic book creativity. On one level they are all quite old-fashioned.
I don’t say that as a criticism, because I grew up with those characters and have an affection for many of them. Most especially Cyclops. We live in an age where these characters are held up as great examples. Not every comic book character has to be like them. We shouldn’t use them as the benchmark anymore. Storytelling has changed considerably since those glorious days. Some for the better some for the worse.
It is not necessary for characters to undergo these highly dramatic and often heightened traumas to make them rounded characters. It can be detrimental because their core issues become unreal and disconnected from our own experiences. This is no more evident to me than the recent Titans TV series. It is full of ‘woe is me’ tragedy and I found it tedious in the extreme. Because I have no nostalgic connection to the characters it was even more obvious.
There is far more to this discussion and I am deliberately overemphasising the point here. But none of these things help us define the idea of a Mary Sue. Really that topic needs a separate thread all of its own. Except that I can’t imagine such a hot button topic staying focused for long.
That seems to be your stumbling block. I can only draw conclusions based on the content of your posts, but you seem to think that because you enjoy it, if others don’t it must be because they lack your deep understanding and this is a problem you need to fix. But no matter how much you might like the taste of peanut butter ripple ice cream, there will always be people who would rather spend their money on a deferent flavour and get cranky when the company discontinues it for however long and sells nothing but peanut butter ripple.
I’ve heard it said that there are no perfect actions, only perfect intentions. But I’ve also heard the the toad to Hell (or in this case Hel ) is paved with good ones.in sure Jason Aaron isn’t an evil person whose plans not to write a Thor story that made and others cringe so that he could twirl his moustache and give a sinister laugh. But that doesn’t mean he created a flawless masterpiece of story telling.The fact that you see it, is not proof of the writers’ intentions. I don’t read everything, so there may be instances of this, but it seems clear to me that this isn’t happening with Thor...
You express this very passionately, but I just don’t see it. I see the complaints, and I see the stories that have provoked these complaints but I don’t see the logical connection. You are explaining it very clearly, but from my perspective there is a flaw in the logic.
Clearly Thor will remain as an important hero for Marvel. I do see the ‘apparent’ double standard, but that doesn’t mean there is one. It just means that a group of fans perceive one. From my perspective it seems like a big misunderstanding. Misconstruing a writer expressing his passion for Thor comics as a writer undermining the character in favour of another. A perspective explained very succinctly by your post, but not actually reflective of the motives of either Marvel nor Aaron from my perspective.
Frankly, I get more irritated by people trying to explain my apparent ignorance of the deeper themes in the subject material than I do about a comic book story I have problems with.It may provoke genuine anger and exasperation but that doesn’t mean it deserves that anger.
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If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
Honestly, this statement makes absolutely no sense.
I’m good with that. My concern is not for the state of the writer’s soul, just what they produce that I spend my money on to read.No they are most certainly not. But I do think we need to be considered in our criticisms of writers, and we should certainly be very cautious of ascribing negative motives to them as people. We can criticise their actual work but some of the criticisms I read here are highly personal and aimed at the individual.
If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
War of the Realms #2 - Lady Sif and Thor by Scott Williams *
If ten years of recording The Young and the Restless for my mother have taught me anything, it's that characters in serial dramas are always happily in love...until they're not
“The very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common. Instead of altering their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views...which can be very uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering.” - the 4th Doctor
hey Thor is a little spoon in relationships.
that viking girl who is like 7 feet tall LMAO and She-Hulk who is also 7 feet tall.
Just re-watched the first Thor movie, it's pretty good, much better than I remember.
And damn was Odin good in it, wise king and good father, as he should be.
Also, I didn't know Strazcynski was behind the story.