Warren Worthington: (Arch)Angel Appreciation 2019

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X-Factor #44 Sep 1989
Judgement War! Part 2 of 7. "Another World!"
Continued from last issue...

With X-Factor separated on an alien world when they were teleported into the middle of a battle between the Chosen and the Rejects,
Cyclops finds himself alone in the evacuated battlefield as Gammenon the Celestial slowly descends on the area.
Unable to stop the giant cosmic being with his optic blast, Cyclops instead
decides to try to blast a hole in the ground deep enough to avoid getting crushed.

Meanwhile, the Beast has fled with the Rejects along with one of their warriors Zharkah.
When Zharkah wonders what tribe Beast has come from, Hank considers that she may not be able to
understand the concept that he came from another world decides to pretend that he has partial amnesia.
Zharkah believes this and thinks that his mind has been partially wiped by one of the Chosen's Jammers.

This allows Hank to ask questions about he conflict between
the genetically pure Chosen, and the mutates known as the Rejects
and the fact that the "space god" that has arrived on their world has come for
yet another test of their world, one which Zharkah believes they will not pass.
Arriving at the Reject village, Beast is shown that they live in tall platforms suspended over their refuse.
He is shown Old Vlon, a powerful Telekinetic that was mind wiped by a Jammer.
Beast also meets Zharkah's child and sees the grief of the pregnant reject Wilghe
when she learns that her husband Zheops had died in the battle.
As Zharkah goes to aid the grieving widow, she tells Beast to go and get some food.
As Hank wanders away, he considers the parallels on this world with human mutant relations on Earth.
Upon thinking about the fate of his comrades, Beast wonders how the Chosen would view
his comrade Archangel who is mostly human if not for his blue skin and metallic wings.

If Beast could look upon his friends fate, he would learn that Warren is a prisoner of the Chosen and has his wings restrained in a plastic restraint
as Princess Seera and Lord Rask and one of the Chosens scientists try to make sense out of why a "Reject" would save the Princess in combat.
They refuse to believe Warren's stories that he has no idea what the conflict was about, or that he is from another world.
When Rask intends to put Warren into the arena, Warren breaks free and attempts to flee.
However Rask manages to incapacitate Warren again with his force blasts.

Witnessing this display, the Princess can't help but find Warren's display magnificent.
All present believe that Seera was speaking of Rask except for her robot ZZ-105.

Zee-Zee points this out when they are walking away from the lab alone, and although the Princess
struggles to understand it she can't help but wonder what her feelings about the encounter are.
When she begins talking of the stories Zee-Zee told her as a child about how children used to be birthed
the robot warns her not to tell anyone that it told her such tales and insists that they are false.

When a supply robot zips past them, Seera and Zee-Zee go into another lab where another scientist is examining Iceman with Lev watching over.
Confusing him for a "Dueler", a class of the Chosen with an alternate form,
and Lev is mocked for attacking one of her own in battle when she confused him for a Reject.
When the scientist finds no records, they dismiss him as probably being a member of some outer colony that is bad at keeping records.
When Bobby revives, they begin trying to ask him questions, but find that he has amnesia.
When he attempts to reach out and touch the princess -- an act that is forbidden -- the scientist knocks him out before he can.
He then turns Bobby over to Lev to try and stir his memory.

While back at the site of the battlefield, Gammenon has left leaving giant foot prints in his wake.
Cyclops manages to blast his way out to the surface and finds a green skinned telepath waiting for him.
The man asks Scott if he is one of the Chosen or a Reject.
Scott tells him that he is from a far away world and that his friends are missing.
Helped out of the pit, Cyclops begins calling out to his friends, however the humanoid
tells him it's ultimately useless as there is nobody around and invites him to follow.
As Cyclops is led away, he wonders what became of his friends, and most importantly, his son Christopher.

Back at the Chosen's citadel, Seera looks over the vats of genetic material that they use to create new members of their race.
She remarks over how fewer and fewer batches of these artificially created people come out pure enough to live in their society, or alive for that matter.
When a sci-bot overhears Seera talking about how it must have been "better" when children are born biologically it begins demanding answers.
However she threatens to send it off for repairs in order to keep it quiet and send it on it's way.
She is then met by Father-Sun, the man who recovered young Christopher Summers from the battle field.
Feeling an instant maternal love for the child she offers Father-Sun Zee-Zee's entire supply of mood altering drugs in exchange for the child.
When he turns around to get the bounty of narcotics, Seera uses her own jamming powers to make Father-Sun forget about the child completely.
Not wanting to have to give the child up to the scientists, Seera hides young
Christopher within Zee-Zee so that she can smuggle the boy back to her quarters.

Back at the home of the Rejects, Beast is joined by Zharkah whom he begins asking if anyone has seen his friends.
When he begins describing Marvel Girl to Zharkah, the Reject wonders if he is referring to the
"Chosen" woman they have captured after jamming and is now locked up in one of their dungeons.
Finding Beast's questions suspicious she decides to keep this bit of information from him to see what else she can learn from him.
Beast himself decides it's best to continue to keep up his feigned amnesia in order to get the answers he wants.
Turning his attentions to a shooting star he wonders how their Ship is faring since it was captured by the Celestials.
High above the planet, Ship is continuing to explain to Gammenon about it's origins that it's known about since it's come online.
However, the massive Celestial doesn't seem to be satisfied with the tale and as Ship continues to probe deeper into his data banks he
comes to consider that it might not have been built by Apocalypse, but by some other force all together and decides to tell it's tale again.

Scott is led to an underground cavern where he is introduced to the Beginagains, a group of Rejects and Chosen
who have come to realize that unity is the only way for either of their races to survive.
They explain to Scott that the arrival of the "Space God" Gammenon was ordained
as the Celestials have come to their planet many times to judge it's inhabitance.
In every previous encounter, they have been deemed worthy to continue.
However, Zalph has had a preventative flash that suggests that this time, they might not be so lucky.

Story by Louise Simonson http://www.comicsreporter.com/index....uise_simonson/. Art by Paul Smith and Al Milgrom.

[Thievery]

Love the split personality for the character since both Angel and Archangel are engaging to read about like Mary Walker, Typhoid Mary and Bloody Mary!

Okay, I don't think that I have seen you way in on this before. How would you make the split personalities work? You have some new ideas?
There's nothing wrong if you like the split personality. I'm just curious if you have some ideas that haven't been brought forward before.

I definitely appreciate your dedication to posting old panels of Archangel from older stories. Thank you for it.

And belated happy birthday to Louise Simonson.

[LoganAlpha30X33]

I view the split personality thing as holding Warren back from a lot...

[Thievery]

I view the split personality thing as holding Warren back from a lot...

Yes, Logan, you and I don't care for the split personality.

But, I've noticed that a lot of this forum's members like it. They just don't post often about it in this thread. I'd like to see more of their opinions in Angel's thread, instead of them just stateing their views in other threads. And, they may have some interesting takes on it.

[LoganAlpha30X33]

Well I'm not biting the heads off of the ones that do so I'm not keeping them away...

[Havok83]

Id love for them to explore Warren's family, since thats almost never touched. Id give him a half sister and have her seize control of Worthington Industries after the board hands it to her. That would make sense considering all the issues Warren has, its a wonder why anyone would trust him to run a company (not to mention all the months/years out dealing with his issues. Im undecided on if Id make her a mutant or not, but she would serve as an ally and a much needed supporting character for him bc he doesnt really have any

[Thievery]

Well I'm not biting the heads off of the ones that do so I'm not keeping them away...

Sorry, Logan, I didn't intend to imply that you were biting people's heads off. I just meant to say that I like to see dissenting opinions. Sorry I didn't do a better job of explaining that.

[Thievery]

Id love for them to explore Warren's family, since thats almost never touched. Id give him a half sister and have her seize control of Worthington Industries after the board hands it to her. That would make sense considering all the issues Warren has, its a wonder why anyone would trust him to run a company (not to mention all the months/years out dealing with his issues. Im undecided on if Id make her a mutant or not, but she would serve as an ally and a much needed supporting character for him bc he doesnt really have any

I guess that you would intend for the half-sister to be an illegitimate child of Warren's father. Would you make her older or younger, or would you not care either way.

I would go with a human sibling, seeing as the X-Men in general don't seem to have many human supporting characters these days.

Even if Warren were able to acknowledge the fact that he could use some help with his company, I don't think that he would take it. He's kind of jealous that way. And, I'm not sure why the board of his company would suddenly deem him unfit to run his company now, after everything else has already happened. And, he may have become more stable in terms of his sanity than before. So I think that Warren may regard this half-sister as more of an antagonist figure. Someone who is stealing his company from him.

It's a neat idea. You have any more ideas to go along with your proposed story.

[Havok83]

I guess that you would intend for the half-sister to be an illegitimate child of Warren's father. Would you make her older or younger, or would you not care either way.

I would go with a human sibling, seeing as the X-Men in general don't seem to have many human supporting characters these days.

Even if Warren were able to acknowledge the fact that he could use some help with his company, I don't think that he would take it. He's kind of jealous that way. And, I'm not sure why the board of his company would suddenly deem him unfit to run his company now, after everything else has already happened. And, he may have become more stable in terms of his sanity than before. So I think that Warren may regard this half-sister as more of an antagonist figure. Someone who is stealing his company from him.

It's a neat idea. You have any more ideas to go along with your proposed story.

Maybe a younger sister and she'd have claims to the company as its her birthright (and she'd have to be the father's kid). You are right about Warren's jealousy and ego but those are things that would make for an interesting dynamic as there isnt too much interesting if he just goes with the flow and they have a great relationship off the bat. There needs to be tension.

Do we even know if Warren is still running the company? I cant even recall the last time we've even seen that. I dont feel like he is and IMO, I think he's taken a more laid back approach with someone having his proxy and he maybe showing up for important votes, but not really too involved in the day to day operations. The board would have replaced him years ago when the Hippy showed up and was clearly not fit to run things

[LoganAlpha30X33]

Sorry, Logan, I didn't intend to imply that you were biting people's heads off. I just meant to say that I like to see dissenting opinions. Sorry I didn't do a better job of explaining that.

Nah it's just that in other threads I've been accused of being a bully for daring to say that I disagreed with people on pairings and such, though in those posts I never attacked the actual poster as far as I know...

Anyway though as to the stories hasn't there already been a storyline where his uncle or something tried to take the company from him or something along those lines...

[Thievery]

Maybe a younger sister and she'd have claims to the company as its her birthright (and she'd have to be the father's kid). You are right about Warren's jealousy and ego but those are things that would make for an interesting dynamic as there isnt too much interesting if he just goes with the flow and they have a great relationship off the bat. There needs to be tension.

Do we even know if Warren is still running the company? I cant even recall the last time we've even seen that. I dont feel like he is and IMO, I think he's taken a more laid back approach with someone having his proxy and he maybe showing up for important votes, but not really too involved in the day to day operations. The board would have replaced him years ago when the Hippy showed up and was clearly not fit to run things

Could a board just snatch away a company and give it to whoever that they wanted to. I think that they could remove Warren from controlling a publicly traded company, but they couldn't take away his ownership of it. Could they force him to sell his company? I'm not entirely sure how these things work.

I know that we haven't seen it on panel, but I would think that Warren is back to running his company.

Have we ever seen what Warren's mother's financial situation was like? Do we know if she came from a wealthy back ground the way that Angel's father did? Did she have any wealth of her own that was independent of her husband's fortune?

[Thievery]

I was finally able to read HoX #6 for myself a few days ago. At the big mutant party, Archangel seemed to be colored blue again. During the resurrection scene from an earlier comic, Warren was white with the metal wings. Do you suppose that this was an accident. Or does any one think that Warren is able to somehow able to change forms again.

[LoganAlpha30X33]

I would guess just a mistake by the art department...

[Havok83]

I was finally able to read HoX #6 for myself a few days ago. At the big mutant party, Archangel seemed to be colored blue again. During the resurrection scene from an earlier comic, Warren was white with the metal wings. Do you suppose that this was an accident. Or does any one think that Warren is able to somehow able to change forms again.

Ever since Yost/Kyle's run, Warren has always been blue when costumed up as Archangel and fleshed colored when plain Warren. You responded to my post on this last page about this. There was no art error here. He can freely change forms and as such his appearance does as well

[Thievery]

Ever since Yost/Kyle's run, Warren has always been blue when costumed up as Archangel and fleshed colored when plain Warren. You responded to my post on this last page about this. There was no art error here. He can freely change forms and as such his appearance does as well

Well, my apologies then. I did not intend to go over old conversations.

It just seemed a little odd to me to see Warren appear as the blue skinned Archangel at the party. The blue skinned version of Warren is usually portrayed as being the uncontrollable, evil personality of Angel. Warren wouldn't even drink alcohol in the Astonishing Annual because he was afraid of losing control of himself. I wouldn't expect the blue Archangel version to show up partying and drinking. I just wondered if this was something different for Warren, personality wise, seeing as he was white, and not blue when he was resurrected earlier in the story.

Sorry, I don't think that I am articulating what I am trying to say here very well.