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    Default Would you still consider Punisher to be a Spider-Man character?

    Punisher started out as a recurring antagonist, not necessarily villain, in the Amazing series. Eventually, he got popular enough to warrant his own series. At this point, there are many serious that not only donít have Spider-Man in it, but the greater Marvel Universe as well.

    Does he still count as a Spider-Man character by this point?

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    He's evolved into his own character. I can't really call him a Spider-Man character anymore than I'd call Black Panther a Fantastic Four character.

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    Monica Rambeau isn't considered a Spider-Man character despite debuting in an ASM Annual either.

    So I don't know why we want dibs on Frank Castle.

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    A better question is:

    Would Cloak & Dagger be considered Spider-Man characters?

    I feel like they've evolved to their own, yet they maintain a stronger connection to the Spider-Man side since their debut than Frank.

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    There was a time he regularly and welcomed-ly appeared and guested on Spider-Man, but that was from the early seventies until the mid nineties.

    Nowadays, I really cannot recall the last time he guested on a Spider-Title the past twenty years.

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    I must admit, it feels odd seeing him in the second OP for the 90s cartoon.

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    No! Punisher has been his own character at least since the late 80s/ early 90s when he started getting his own (multiple) comic series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ngroove View Post
    There was a time he regularly and welcomed-ly appeared and guested on Spider-Man, but that was from the early seventies until the mid nineties.

    Nowadays, I really cannot recall the last time he guested on a Spider-Title the past twenty years.
    He still does it a lot, but I see what you’re saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    He's evolved into his own character. I can't really call him a Spider-Man character anymore than I'd call Black Panther a Fantastic Four character.
    This, Punisher is (rightly) considered his own thing by most fans now.
    "So you've come to the end now alive but dead inside."

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    He is both his own thing and a character who works as part of the Spider-Man mythos. He has an interesting dynamic with the character.

    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    Monica Rambeau isn't considered a Spider-Man character despite debuting in an ASM Annual either.

    So I don't know why we want dibs on Frank Castle.
    A distinction is that there haven't been that many follow-up Spider-Man stories with Monica Rambeau.

    There have been a lot of Spider-Man/ Punisher encounters after the first appearance.
    Amazing Spider-Man #134-135
    Amazing Spider-Man #161-162
    Amazing Spider-Man #174-175
    Amazing Spider-Man #201-202
    Amazing Spider-Man Annual #15
    Peter Parker the Spectacular Spider-Man #83-85
    Amazing Spider-Man #330-331
    Amazing Spider-Man #353-358
    Spider-Man #32-34
    Amazing Spider-Man #577
    Spider-Man VS The Punisher one-shot
    Spectacular Spider-Man #141-143
    Spectacular Spider-Man #1,000
    Spider-Man/ Punisher: Family Plot
    Spider-Man/ Punisher/ Sabertooth: Designer Drugs
    Giant-Sized Spider-Man #4
    Avenging Spider-Man #6 (Crossover with Punisher and Daredevil)

    There are more crossovers as well as pivotal encounters in event books (Punisher saving Spider-Man in Civil War) and Spider-Man's guest apperances in the Punisher's title.)

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    Thankfully, no, he became his own thing, which is better for him since he's better off not being too dependant on other characters to be around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hybrid View Post
    A better question is:

    Would Cloak & Dagger be considered Spider-Man characters?

    I feel like they've evolved to their own, yet they maintain a stronger connection to the Spider-Man side since their debut than Frank.
    Well like Frank they've had their own comics outside Spidey (which while not having Frank's longeivity, still have been fairly well received), and even their own TV series, entirely separate from Peter. They stand on their own at this point, just like Frank.
    Last edited by Yvonmukluk; 10-06-2019 at 02:11 PM.

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    No. Frank is his own thing.

    I think some characters 'get stuck' being some big names character.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    Punisher started out as a recurring antagonist, not necessarily villain, in the Amazing series. Eventually, he got popular enough to warrant his own series. At this point, there are many serious that not only don’t have Spider-Man in it, but the greater Marvel Universe as well.

    Does he still count as a Spider-Man character by this point?
    I would love to see a Spider-Man/Punisher maxi series that forces them to team up in several back to back scenarios like the old Spider-Man/Wolverine ongoing was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypestyle View Post
    I would love to see a Spider-Man/Punisher maxi series that forces them to team up in several back to back scenarios like the old Spider-Man/Wolverine ongoing was.
    If they could get Garth Ennis to write it, then I'd totally support this.

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