Sort of.
In that instance most of the villains of the MU were working with the heroes against the skrulls, so the heroes still won there. The PRIMARY antagonist was actually the Skrulls... Norman legitimately was trying to save the earth.
But Norman, a villain, benefitted the MOST. And Dark Reign was an era where the heroes were put in a sort of underdog position. So that whole era to some degree flipped things, even though the heroes still usually came on top in the stories.
I do agree villains should win more. It's tough to feel any sort of dramatic tenion in a story when a hero is facing someone he's defeated 5 million times before. When you break it down, villains are losers. A few villains like Doom and Thanos have enough wins to retain their credibility, but they are more the exception than the rule. Still, ultimately the heroes HAVE to win. THere's no getting around that. But in the least villains can and should get a lot more sucess than they do.
But the flip side of that is that some readers feel the heroes aren't getting enough good days despite still winning 99% of the time. Can't make everyone happy I guess.
Myself, I’m happy how Reed was written.
Reed had just returned from being stuck in the Microverse, and when he returned he was deeply depressed with his face disfigured. Then he went to hell with Dr Doom, and in a continued despresssed state tried to rectify the situation by taking over Latveria, for which he was vilified by the UN, and, America confiscated his wealth and property. After which he was in no condition to be heroic anymore. From then on, he was too scared to say boo. His mental state in CW was a direct extrapolation of his conservative state so he could regain his wealth. A very critical estimation of Reed Richards but I think it fits his state of mind at the time of CW.
I think the rest of the FF give Reed a break because they know what Reed went through mentally. It’s what family do.
One of the biggest shocks to the Classic Heroes in CW was the millennials forcing themselves on the super heroes to become responsible for actions. That shocked Stark and Richards as much as it did Steve Rogers. That’s where I see Stark and Richards not behaving in character, because they were panicked by the confrontation of something they hadn’t been required to do, (responsible for actions) their whole life and now suddenly millennials were in their face.
Not that millennials aren’t right to do what they did, because that’s the way society is going now. But Classic super heroes weren’t ready for that kind of change so suddenly.
Last edited by jackolover; 01-08-2019 at 05:55 PM.
I hear you.
The Younger generation heroes have come into the Marvel Universe loaded with classical heroes in full authority positions because they have proved themselves. The young heroes can’t prove themselves in this climate because they keep tripping over adult heroes confronting the big bad villains all the time. The only way younger readers will see their fav young heroes become real heroes is if the classic heroes suddenly all disappear, and the young heroes have to face all the big bad villains themselves with no safety net of Classic heroes.
I was a big critic of Miles Morales because he was boring in a nice comfortable family setting. And then we learn his uncle probably caused Miles to be bitten by the experimental spider, and, the Miles of the 616 is this super villain friend of the Kingpin? Suddenly Miles doesn’t have this plush existence anymore. Now Miles has tragedy written all over him.
Maybe things will change for Kamala Khan and we get a more tragic background to her story too. Like, why did her family have to become refugees? I haven’t followed her story after the first 20 issues, so maybe this was already covered? I would wonder why Kamala’s elder brother wasn’t the focus of stories instead of her? What is up with him? Kamala just seems like the kid sister, social worker with benefits. Maybe we’re not seeing the bigger picture with the Khans just yet?
It used to be only Luke Cage, Sam Wilson or Rhodey always got locked up for no reason. But now everyone is getting hounded, white and other races, as millennial issues target anybody and everybody. It becomes quite confusing and disrupting to always have heroes questioned in the modern comics nowadays. There was a time when awkward issues were just overlooked in the stories, but today, if you don’t apologise a lot, a super hero is going to find protesters outside his door. People used to joke a lot in comics. Now, characters have to choose their words carefully before they say something. It’s that reticence on behaviour that changed the way super hero interaction has become tentative. Not that this is a bad thing, just that it has changed the tension in the interactions.
Last edited by jackolover; 01-11-2019 at 02:40 AM.
From Disassembled to Siege, the heroes were always fighting an uphill battle. First the Skrulls and then Norman. So the bad guys were keeping the heroes on their toes for quite some time.
The fact that hero HAS to inevitably beat the villain gives the illusion that heroes win all the time because, well, they have to.
We recently had an event where the villain played everyone and won, it was Civil War II. CWII to SE was really a secret Dark Reign, and that's what they were going for.
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was it really a secret? i've said it a dozen times that Spencer didn't exploit it the way that writers did during Dark Reign (giving the Dark Avengers their own solo mini series). it was Osborn's reign on steroids. he manipulated the media. Hydra-Cap had the media get their talking points from Doctor Faustus and had the water supply drugged.
perhaps people desirous of kamala going through tragic travails would like this scenario to be her 'heroic origin'
CWII doesn't even escalate into a full conflict if Hydra Cap doesn't nix his plans to directly take out the heroes and kill Ulysses and instead sends the gamma research to Bruce, engineering his death which starts the war, and then goes to DC at the end to force Carol and Tony to fight so that either way, one loses and the heroes are divided.
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