"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does? - Gaff Blade Runner
"In a short time, this will be a long time ago." - Werner Slow West
"One of the biggest problems in the industry is apathy right now." - Dan Didio Co-Publisher of I Wonder Why That Is Comics
I personally don't want her back. She doesn't bring anything new to the table and the Bat Family is big enough as it is and many members underdeveloped. We should focus on them.
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I don't agree, her feats in Batman Eternal are in the same league as what the batfamily members can do.
Not to mention, even without the fighting skills, she's written as way too brilliant and smart and able to hack anything and being able to track down batman and all that stuff to be a credible average jane.
Oh. Okay, when I said Snyder wanted her to be the civilian point of view that doesn't mean she's an average person. She has some fighting skills and she's expecially good at electrical engineering, she just wasn't intended to be a superhero, just a hypercompetent civilian like Alfred.
That changed in Batman Eternal when Dick has to stop being Nightwing. Snyder decided to make her Nightwing. That's when her role and maybe skills were increased, but then people found out about it and protested so she was named Bluebird instead.
Harper's niche is ... Bat-Electrician?
Such a weird niche. Like the GI Joe whose specialty is "Administrator" but comes with a giant tank.
She's a weird focus point for the Snyder run. I mean you've got Duke, who gets introduced similarly, has some interesting beats in the WE ARE ROBIN period then gets sort of phased into being a tie-in to Metal. And even that hasn't been pulled off exceptionally well, with a kind of daffy codename based on the Bat-Signal of all things. I will say that I do really like Duke's Phase 2 costume a lot.
So while I'm having a weird time placing a "how do you bring back Harper?" theoretical, since they're both born of the Snyder run, perhaps they should share the same space so that they can interact and those post-Snyder story threads can overlap each other a bit. Which would've been easier thematically of course if Duke had gotten the "Lark" codename, because "Bluebird and Lark" or whatever has that songbird thematic built-in, whereas "Bluebird and The Signal" is a little out of nowhere. But I could even see her electrician roots and skills helping out when criss-crossed with Duke's ... um ... Light-Vision? And I think his history as a WE ARE ROBIN would be interesting to juxtapose with her, as would comparing their introductions to Batman, as would contrasting their different horrible parentage stories, as would contrasting their different CHOSEN ONE backstories.
So that's my short pitch - pair up Duke and Harper in a book.
They're both still pretty fresh and in spite of getting some headway, pretty inexperienced in totality, so I suppose it could also fall under the "BATMAN SCHOOL" angle that has been hinted at here and there.
Of course that'd be a weird book, since most of the Bat-Kids we want to read about ... you know, don't need the "schooling" so wouldn't really need to be there except as guest spot mentors. Dick? Tim? Cass? Definitely don't need Bat-School. Babs? Def not. Steph? Probably not. Jason or Damian? Wouldn't. Luke? Def not.
Flamebird might be a neat choice though. Though badass and experienced, I could see Bette getting some "official induction" training on.
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Harper already decided to quit being a superhero, but that's not a bad idea.
Since Duke had his own base, Harper can be his Alfred.
I don't mind Harper being Duke's Alfred. (Just because she doesn't want to be a superhero, doesn't mean she shouldn't keep training; Alfred knows, Gotham is a dangerous city.
I also want her have her own life working at the clinic...along side Nurse Linda Page (now a Physician's Assistant). Harper's brother shouldn't be forgotten either.
I'd also like Lucas Fox to be 'big brother' to Duke. Again, Luke would have his own life as a full-time Bat-weapon-smith and part-time hero.
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"It's too bad she won't live! But then again, who does? - Gaff Blade Runner
"In a short time, this will be a long time ago." - Werner Slow West
"One of the biggest problems in the industry is apathy right now." - Dan Didio Co-Publisher of I Wonder Why That Is Comics
I'm currently reading Batman, Detective Comics, DCeased: Dead Planet, Dark Knights: Death Metal, Daredevil, Thor, Nightwing, The Rise of Ultraman and Red Hood and The Outlaws. I'm also trade-waiting the Hickman-era of X-Men comics.
I think Harper is best left "off stage" until somebody figures out how to portray her properly. There's still a lot of anger toward her.
How about we don't. Ever. Maybe as a civilian supporting character for early '00s crew but that is it.
I have slowly warmed to the auxiliary characters of the bloated Bat-Family a few degrees, but not Harper. Never Harper.
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It's the Dynamic Duo! Batman and Robin!... and Red Robin and Red Hood and Nightwing and Batwoman and Batgirl and Orphan and Spoiler and Bluebird and Lark and Gotham Girl and Talon and Batwing and Huntress and Azreal and Flamebird and Batcow?
Since when could just anybody do what we trained to do? It makes it all dumb instead of special. Like it doesn't matter anymore.
-Dick Grayson (Batman Inc.)