Would you care if Diana was racebent?

[Koriand'r]

The thing is race is a social construct
black and white races are social constructs and ignores the diversity of Africa, Europe, and other continents

Africa doesn't mean black just like Europe doesn't mean white

Race is "a social construct"? I wish someone would tell that to the police so they wouldn't murder a man in his own home and then attempt to justify it by vilifying the victim, but I'm getting off topic

[Starrius]

Race is "a social construct"? I wish someone would telitl that to the police so they wouldn't murder a man in his own home and then attempt to justify it by vilifying the victim, but I'm getting off topic

it's the creation and the belief of these social constructs of race that led to prejudice, discrimination against others based on the belief of the superiority,inferiority in connection to these social constructs of race


the prejudice,discrimination against others based on the belief of the superiority,inferiority in connection to these social constructs of race are not a validation of these social constructs of race
they are symptoms
they are the results of ignorance and brainwashing that divides us and generates discord

I was brought up in this ignorance and brainwashing.
I got rid of it a few years ago, and I am 47 years old now.
A factor in that is getting genetic testing done as well as connecting with long lost family and learning a lot more about my ancestral roots which is far more diverse than I thought.

I also never embraced the one drop rule which I believe is outdated,racist,and stupid.


I am a a highly multi-ethnic American

father's side:
African American, English, Acadian

mother's side:
Cape Verdean, Ashkenazi Jewish (from Romania and Latvia), Madeiran, Puerto Rican, English, German, Scottish, Irish, Swiss, Welsh, Dutch


Acadians are the descendants of the French that settled in Eastern Canadian maritime provinces.
Many of them were expelled, and some of them went into Louisiana.
My father was born and raised in Louisiana, and he had ancestry from those expelled Acadians.

Both Cape Verde and Madeira are Atlantic archipelagos with a strong history of Portuguese colonization and SubSaharan African slavery
Cape Verde gained its independence from Portugal to become an African nation in 1975
Madeira is still a colony of Portugal



according to 23andme Ancestry Composition


49.6% SubSaharan African
48.0% European
2.0% East Asian & Native American
0.1% West Asian & North African
0.2% Unassigned


Ancestry Composition from phased DNA (thanks to my mother having tested)

from my father:
43.3% SubSaharan African
4.2% European
1.0% East Asian & Native American
0.0% West Asian & North African
<0.1% Unassigned

from my mother:
6.3% SubSaharan African
43.8% European
1.0% East Asian & Native American
0.1% West Asian & North African
0.1% Unassigned


my father was predominantly SubSaharan African with some European ancestry and a little Amerindian
my mother is predominantly European with some SubSaharan African ancestry and a little Amerindian


if my predominantly European X Chromosome (obviously inherited from my mother) is not counted in my Ancestry composition, my SubSaharan African is around 52%

My Y DNA haplogroup (DNA of the paternal line) is E2b1 which is SubSaharan African
My Mitochondrial DNA haplogroup (DNA of the maternal line) is J1c14 which is European

[kjn]

Race is "a social construct"? I wish someone would tell that to the police so they wouldn't murder a man in his own home and then attempt to justify it by vilifying the victim, but I'm getting off topic

It is, including markers like language, ethnicity, and superficial physical attributes, which all appear in different forms and combinations in different nations. Racism in the US looks different to racism in Sweden, which again looks different to racism in Finland or the UK (to take the countries I have the most knowledge about in this area).

I don't think anyone here denies that black people in the USA are among the groups hardest hit by racism, but on the converse one should not take the experience of black people in the USA and see it as the only way in which racism looks and operates. Rather, it is in many ways an extreme example of racism mixed in class prejudices, making it in some ways similar to caste systems.

[DochaDocha]

I went on huge tirades after seeing a lot of whitewashed characters in Hollywood. I'm an Asian fellow, so it particularly grinds my gears to see Asian characters cast as some lily-white actors. Hollywood is guilty of years and years of BS in this particularly area.

As for racebending Diana? Not a fan. I prefer the Spider-verse method of instead of racebending Peter Parker, legitimize other Spider-heroes.

But if they do racebend Diana and make her Asian, please don't give her an effin' katana. Sorry, I consider that like four steps backwards when promoting diversity, which is what white-to-other racebending is supposed to accomplish.

[richalex]

I always thought Donna Hinckley Stacy Troy could easily be Donna Hernandez.

[Koriand'r]

it's the creation and the belief of these social constructs of race that led to prejudice, discrimination against others based on the belief of the superiority,inferiority in connection to these social constructs of race


the prejudice,discrimination against others based on the belief of the superiority,inferiority in connection to these social constructs of race are not a validation of these social constructs of race
they are symptoms
they are the results of ignorance and brainwashing that divides us and generates discord

I was brought up in this ignorance and brainwashing.
I got rid of it a few years ago, and I am 47 years old now.
A factor in that is getting genetic testing done as well as connecting with long lost family and learning a lot more about my ancestral roots which is far more diverse than I thought.

I also never embraced the one drop rule which I believe is outdated,racist,and stupid.


I am a a highly multi-ethnic American

father's side:
African American, English, Acadian

mother's side:
Cape Verdean, Ashkenazi Jewish (from Romania and Latvia), Madeiran, Puerto Rican, English, German, Scottish, Irish, Swiss, Welsh, Dutch


Acadians are the descendants of the French that settled in Eastern Canadian maritime provinces.
Many of them were expelled, and some of them went into Louisiana.
My father was born and raised in Louisiana, and he had ancestry from those expelled Acadians.

Both Cape Verde and Madeira are Atlantic archipelagos with a strong history of Portuguese colonization and SubSaharan African slavery
Cape Verde gained its independence from Portugal to become an African nation in 1975
Madeira is still a colony of Portugal



according to 23andme Ancestry Composition


49.6% SubSaharan African
48.0% European
2.0% East Asian & Native American
0.1% West Asian & North African
0.2% Unassigned


Ancestry Composition from phased DNA (thanks to my mother having tested)

from my father:
43.3% SubSaharan African
4.2% European
1.0% East Asian & Native American
0.0% West Asian & North African
<0.1% Unassigned

from my mother:
6.3% SubSaharan African
43.8% European
1.0% East Asian & Native American
0.1% West Asian & North African
0.1% Unassigned


my father was predominantly SubSaharan African with some European ancestry and a little Amerindian
my mother is predominantly European with some SubSaharan African ancestry and a little Amerindian


if my predominantly European X Chromosome (obviously inherited from my mother) is not counted in my Ancestry composition, my SubSaharan African is around 52%

My Y DNA haplogroup (DNA of the paternal line) is E2b1 which is SubSaharan African
My Mitochondrial DNA haplogroup (DNA of the maternal line) is J1c14 which is European

It is, including markers like language, ethnicity, and superficial physical attributes, which all appear in different forms and combinations in different nations. Racism in the US looks different to racism in Sweden, which again looks different to racism in Finland or the UK (to take the countries I have the most knowledge about in this area).

I don't think anyone here denies that black people in the USA are among the groups hardest hit by racism, but on the converse one should not take the experience of black people in the USA and see it as the only way in which racism looks and operates. Rather, it is in many ways an extreme example of racism mixed in class prejudices, making it in some ways similar to caste systems.

I can't really speak on this the way I want to in this environment so I'll just agree to disagree.

[Dr. Poison]

You do know that Etta was racebent too, right?

And why does it have to be one or the other? Racebending Diana, Donna, Cassie and/or Hippolyta doesn't mean not giving story time to characters created as non-white.

Yes, I know Etta was race-bent but I don't have an issue with that.

As for your second question, I never said it had to be one or the other just that i don't want Diana, Donna, Cassie, or Hippolyta race-bent. Whether or not they are race-bent, I still want the characters i mentioned to get page/screen time.

[Vakanai]

I wouldn't want Diana suddenly drawn as or being another race all of a sudden in the comics, but I've got nothing against an Elseworld or other alternate universe Wonder Woman being a different race (Marvel's Spider-Verse route as it were) or a Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle situation like someone else mentioned (provided Diana returns to the role eventually).

[Ascended]

I wouldn't want Diana suddenly drawn as or being another race all of a sudden in the comics, but I've got nothing against an Elseworld or other alternate universe Wonder Woman being a different race (Marvel's Spider-Verse route as it were) or a Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle situation like someone else mentioned (provided Diana returns to the role eventually).

What about a reboot? What if DC decided to start their continuity over again and made Diana another race from the start there?

[Vakanai]

What about a reboot? What if DC decided to start their continuity over again and made Diana another race from the start there?

Personally I wouldn't feel comfortable changing something like that during a reboot, look at all the upset Wally West fans there were/are. But that's just my opinion. Race doesn't matter, but likewise you don't want to change the appearance or history of an established character too much either, even during a reboot. A situation like Mile's Spider-Man and Jaime's Blue Beetle, or even Dick Grayson's brief stint as Batman (he's still got a Romani/Gypsy ethnic background doesn't he?), just seems like a better way to do it (although unlike those examples I'd prefer no version of Diana dying to accomplish it).

[WonderScott]

I say bring it. It could delve into topics and stories and conflicts that don’t personally or typically happen to Diana due to white privilege.

[dreyga2000]

As long it's not too jarring...

[Sacred Knight]

I say bring it. It could delve into topics and stories and conflicts that don’t personally or typically happen to Diana due to white privilege.

To be fair though you can do this exactly the way she is. Realistically this woman would have no privilege as a mysterious Amazon just the same as Superman would have no privilege as a mysterious alien. We know why, outside the lore, why she looks the way she does. That's just the way it was back when she was created. But in the lore, there's always been a wealth to play upon in regards to equality, acceptance, etc. Changing her skin stone wouldn't suddenly create opportunities where none existed before. Changing the color of her skin would change things in the realm of optics, I understand that part of the argument. But nonetheless these stories could be done the way things are, is all.

[Mutant God]

Yes, I would care if they stopped making her an Amazon.

[Lex Luthor]

Yes, I would care if they stopped making her an Amazon.

Fair enough