Uncanny X-Men #9 (spoilers/discussion)

[Harpsikord]

Why you all telling MichelleDiMera that Jean had her Bendis powers during 70s to 2000s stories? Y'all are worse than Bendis himself.

We're not - or specifically I'm not. We're saying that Jean wasn't as weak as a flea in most of her stories.

And I was referencing that the first time we saw anything like the pink power was in Operation Zero Tolerance.

[MYCMTSC]

Morrison's. Pretty sure Angel and Beak are mutants again.
Thank you, Emma and Havok.

HELL YES.

Angel > Pixie > Sprite

[LordAllMIghty]

Nope

Moria never took reading off of Dark Phoenix. Green Phoenix was Jean/The Phoenix force under control. When she went Dark...she had a big power increase.

Again still powerful and almost a cosmic god.

[MichelleDiMera]

It's not a retcon any more than any other character getting a new power is a retcon, especially since Jean's pink form first appeared in the 90s, it just wasn't explained til Bendis got the idea to do so.

The scan you just posted proves Jean was as strong as Nate was when she was Phoenix/Dark Phoenix, and Morrison explained the Phoenix Force connection as an extension of Jean's normal powers. As White Phoenix she was probably even stronger because she had the whole of the Phoenix Force under control.



It was the future in Extermination, which was the canon future of the prime reality til Jean and Cable stopped Ahab.

Yes..with a Phoenix power up gimmick. Nate was fighting Apocalypse str8 up from his first appearance.

[MichelleDiMera]

Moria never took reading off of Dark Phoenix. Green Phoenix was Jean/The Phoenix force under control. When she went Dark...she had a big power increase.

Again still powerful and almost a cosmic god.

That doesnt even add up. The Dark Phoenix is right there.

[wano]

Moria never took reading off of Dark Phoenix. Green Phoenix was Jean/The Phoenix force under control. When she went Dark...she had a big power increase.

Again still powerful and almost a cosmic god.

She said she has it on record, doesn't mean she's the one that took it, hell probably xavier or reed richard did

[Harpsikord]

Yes..with a Phoenix power up gimmick. Nate was fighting Apocalypse str8 up from his first appearance.

You mean like how Jean held her own nonchalantly against Apocalypse in this book's last issue?

Or maybe how she was the hero of the Age of Apocalypse.

[Havok83]

We're not - or specifically I'm not. We're saying that Jean wasn't as weak as a flea in most of her stories.

And I was referencing that the first time we saw anything like the pink power was in Operation Zero Tolerance.

Not really. OZT had Jean use a pink Phoenix power signature. That was purely cosmetic. It wasnt the pink power form her teen version developed in ANX

[MichelleDiMera]

You mean like how Jean held her own nonchalantly against Apocalypse in this book's last issue?

Or maybe how she was the hero of the Age of Apocalypse.

In age of Apocalypse, it came down to Rogue vs Holocaust, Nate Grey vs Apocalypse, Magneto vs Apocalypse, and Jean holding back the bombs.

[kevinism]

Nate makes a clone of Dani and immediately sends her to jail.



Why didn’t they just say it was Trinary from the get-go? It isn’t like people don’t like her, so the insistence that she’s Dani is weird. Unless she’s Mystique.



Why’d you have to remind the board of an event that did this 18x better with SSS+ art?

What is SSS?

[Tycon]

HELL YES.

Angel > Pixie > Sprite

It’s true and you should say it.

What is SSS?

Triple S tank. Highest honor I could give Mike Choi for making Second Coming look like a cinematic masterpiece with real stakes.

[Anduinel]

JDW and Rosenberg's responses to people being annoyed by Goldball's makeover are about what I'd expect: "Sorry, my bad" on JDW's side, and a complete shrug and "Maybe he got into shape" on Rosenberg's. Which one reason why I'm more keen on White as editor than Rosenberg as a writer on this franchise - at least one can admit when mistakes were made.

[Lombardo!]

Jamie Madrox's character assassination continues...

[nx01a]

Not really. OZT had Jean use a pink Phoenix power signature. That was purely cosmic. It wasnt the pink power form her teen version developed in ANX

Exactly.

In age of Apocalypse, it came down to Rogue vs Holocaust, Nate Grey vs Apocalypse, Magneto vs Apocalypse, and Jean holding back the bombs.

Yup. Everyone [except insane-for-his-sister Colossus] played their part to restore the timeline or just to save as many lives as possible in the AoA. Jean holding back a wave of ICBMs was epic.

I don't see anyone here as trying to diminish Jean's achievements or powers. And Jean wasn't weak as a flea in the 90s; no one who can shield debris on uncontrolled re-entry or lift the top of the Empire State building is weak. She just wasn't on the same power level as Exodus [whose psionic vampirism Jeen seems to have copied for the Bendis power-up] or X-Man. Is she now? We'll see but I don't think she needs to be for her to be my fave X-character. Jean swatting Apocalypse around sure was fun to watch, though.

[Tycon]

JDW and Rosenberg's responses to people being annoyed by Goldball's makeover are about what I'd expect: "Sorry, my bad" on JDW's side, and a complete shrug and "Maybe he got into shape" on Rosenberg's. Which one reason why I'm more keen on White as editor than Rosenberg as a writer on this franchise - at least one can admit when mistakes were made.

" Honestly, no. I saw it thought 'we haven't seen him in a while and he lost weight. Ok.' "

.............



Around the time this was in development, Goldballs was already a pretty consistent cast member of Miles' series.