Cassandra Cain: Batgirl, Black Bat, Orphan Appreciation 2019

[Swallowtail]

[QUOTE=Agent Z;4606298]

When was Batman ever a supporting character in someone else's movie?

Cass is a far more nuanced character than an Asian martial artist stereotype. I'm not as down on this movie as some are but it isn't impossible to use her comic depiction in an ensemble cast. After all, she did have a supporting cast in the books and came across as a full character when interacting with them.

The LEGO Movie. Suicide Squad. All those animated Justice League Dark and Suicide Squad movies they stuck his name on to sell more copies. Arguably even the Schumacher films.

It’s not that she’s not a nuanced character. It’s that those are the first things that people learn about her, and in a 2 hour movie when you’re the fifth lead there is no time to dig past that to the nuance, particularly without the voice over tactics they can use in comics. How much nuance did say c3po get in the original Star Wars? Or Cyborg in Justice League? As a minor character in an action movie you get maybe three traits to work with. And in Cass the would be 1. Ninja 2. Heart of gold 3. Not a talker which is every Asian sidekick since Bruce Lee put on his chauffer’s cap.

Cass is a character who needs long term stories to work effectively.

[Frontier]

The LEGO Movie. Suicide Squad. All those animated Justice League Dark and Suicide Squad movies they stuck his name on to sell more copies. Arguably even the Schumacher films.

All of those feel like completely situational instances and doesn't necessitate that a character being in a team movie needs to be treated as just a supporting character.

It’s not that she’s not a nuanced character. It’s that those are the first things that people learn about her, and in a 2 hour movie when you’re the fifth lead there is no time to dig past that to the nuance, particularly without the voice over tactics they can use in comics. How much nuance did say c3po get in the original Star Wars? Or Cyborg in Justice League? As a minor character in an action movie you get maybe three traits to work with. And in Cass the would be 1. Ninja 2. Heart of gold 3. Not a talker which is every Asian sidekick since Bruce Lee put on his chauffer’s cap.

If a movie is actually going to use Cassandra Cain, then they should be ready to do her character justice and feature her story accurately from the comics.

If it's a team movie then all the members of the team should be given adequate focus and screentime, and not get turned into Harley Quinn's sidekick who barely resembles herself.

This is like her first super-major media appearance outside YJ and the disconnect is probably going to be pretty large with this interpretation unless the marketing has been extremely misleading.

[Rac7d*]

[Restingvoice]

Oh finally someone remembers Huntress is black

There are Ivy and Catwoman in the background. Who else?

[Jackalope89]

Oh finally someone remembers Huntress is black

There are Ivy and Catwoman in the background. Who else?

Red Tool is the only other one I recognize.

[Frontier]

...I'm really not sure if I'm looking forward to Cass in a movie synergy/comedy BoP book.

Although apparently she's called Batgirl in the description?

[Restingvoice]

...I'm really not sure if I'm looking forward to Cass in a movie synergy/comedy BoP book.

Although apparently she's called Batgirl in the description?

It's a black label so most likely out of continuity even though they're using the characters' appearances from canon.

[Swallowtail]

All of those feel like completely situational instances and doesn't necessitate that a character being in a team movie needs to be treated as just a supporting character.

I don't really know what this means, but all movies are 'situational instances', all non-lead characters in a movie are supporting characters and all characters go through changes in personality for adaptation.

[Konja7]

It's a black label so most likely out of continuity even though they're using the characters' appearances from canon.

Birds of Prey book is also Black Label, but it will be canon.

Thid cover has many references to Harley Quinn solo. So, "Harley Quinn and the Birds of Prey" mini is also likely canon too.


That said, the promotion calling Cassandra as Batgirl doesn't mean anything. Young Justice promoted Tim as Robin (although that wasn't his identity in-story).

[Rac7d*]

Eh, if Aquaman can be made bad ass, Cass can recover

this will be her first mainstream introduction of any kind
i think she appeared in a voiceless cameo in JL 10 years ago but thats it, we have never seen her anywhere
it will be a defining moment for her

[The Cool Thatguy]

this will be her first mainstream introduction of any kind
i think she appeared in a voiceless cameo in JL 10 years ago but thats it, we have never seen her anywhere
it will be a defining moment for her

And Deadpool's first big screen appearance rendered him mouthless. Not the end of the world

[Jackalope89]

And Deadpool's first big screen appearance rendered him mouthless. Not the end of the world

And it took about a decade before that was fixed.

[Frontier]

I see them having a hard time reconciling movie Cass with comic Cass if they actually try and go in that direction.

[The Cool Thatguy]

I see them having a hard time reconciling movie Cass with comic Cass if they actually try and go in that direction.

We don't know who movie Cass is yet, but I doubt they will. The movie is going to be released in a dump month, after all, and its clearly no Deadpool.

I'm not saying that this is great for Cass, far from it. But it's not the end of the world, 'emerald twilight' either

[Restingvoice]

People have mixed feelings about this movie already because of DCEU and Suicide Squad's reputation, so if the movie blows, there's no damage to Cass. She's a supporting cast in the movie and will remain where she is comics. The movie synergy will quiet down just like it was with Suicide Squad.

If the movie is super hyper mega awesome successful and she's not in character in the movie, that's when you start to worry.