Cassandra Cain: Batgirl, Black Bat, Orphan Appreciation 2019

[Frontier]

Okay.

If you're a Caddandra Cain fan and you aren't reading issue 6 of Batman and the Outsiders, you're doing a mistake, guys. I think it has everything a Cass' fan can ask, and promises more.

And, damn it, I want more of it already !

Including a new costume ?

[Korath]

Including a new costume ?

Not yet, but soon, I suspect.

[redmax99]

question are they new52/rebirth relationship with shiva and cass in the outsider book or postcrisis.

[omnipotentimpotent]

Post-Flashpoint Cass' combat ability has been so lowered. She's been beaten by Jason, Cain, Helena, Azrael, Karma, that Cable-guy, etc. Let alone her mother. I remember Pre-Flashpoint Cass was only beaten twice respectively by Shiva and Cricket.

Tynion's Cass was amazing in Detective, though. I think sometimes writers interpret her skills differently. I'm biased and a fanboy, but I would REALLY love to see her just let loose and own her foes like she has in the past. Like Miller said, this isn't my favorite issue, even with the concentration on Cass, but I do think good things are coming. I really hope Hill a good plan set up for Cass.....

[millernumber1]

Tynion's Cass was amazing in Detective, though. I think sometimes writers interpret her skills differently. I'm biased and a fanboy, but I would REALLY love to see her just let loose and own her foes like she has in the past. Like Miller said, this isn't my favorite issue, even with the concentration on Cass, but I do think good things are coming. I really hope Hill a good plan set up for Cass.....

Agreed. I loved the way Cass took down the whole army of ninja in League of Shadows.

[Restingvoice]

The Birds of Prey movie

lol I wasn't counting that but okay

How's David Cain between Post Crisis and New 52?

[Blight]

question are they new52/rebirth relationship with shiva and cass in the outsider book or postcrisis.

They're going under the Rebirth model, which Cass learned Shiva was her mom over in Tec.

[Aahz]

Post-Flashpoint Cass' combat ability has been so lowered. She's been beaten by Jason, Cain, Helena, Azrael, Karma, that Cable-guy, etc. Let alone her mother. I remember Pre-Flashpoint Cass was only beaten twice respectively by Shiva and Cricket.

At least Azrael is imo at full power (which he was in this case) quite a bit above her power wise.

[SneakyLookingSort]

Post-Flashpoint Cass' combat ability has been so lowered. She's been beaten by Jason, Cain, Helena, Azrael, Karma, that Cable-guy, etc. Let alone her mother. I remember Pre-Flashpoint Cass was only beaten twice respectively by Shiva and Cricket.

"Yeah I totally beat Cass"

[Aahz]

"Yeah I totally beat Cass"

When did this happen?

[SneakyLookingSort]

When did this happen?

Batman and Robin Eternal #19

[Frontier]

Yeah, there were a few really kind of "really?" moments with Cass throughout that series...aside from the ballet one. That was probably the best thing to come out of it.

[Jackalope89]

To be fair, to Jason at least, Jason has had a lot of training since coming back to life. Not only under Talia, but in the All-Caste as well (whose leader seems to be about the same age as Vandal Savage). So its not like he's some chump.

[GaryFisher]

To be fair, to Jason at least, Jason has had a lot of training since coming back to life. Not only under Talia, but in the All-Caste as well (whose leader seems to be about the same age as Vandal Savage). So its not like he's some chump.

But he is not good enough to nearly KILL Cass.

[Jackalope89]

But he is not good enough to nearly KILL Cass.

He got her backed up, yes. Considering his training, its not that hard to fathom he would be able to, some degree, counter Cass (whom probably had rarely run into such people before).