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    Quote Originally Posted by TomServofan View Post
    I agree! I've been a fan of the Simpsons since i saw them on Tracy Ullman in 87 and 88 when i was 6/7 and loved those shorts and i taped every episode of the show from 1989 to 2000 and the show should had DIED in 2001! It was a biting satrical show with intelligence, heart (mother Simpson for example), humanity, soul, anti-authority/anti-hollywood social satire and excellence with a proper use of celebrity guest voices. Even quality writing with wit/snark/sarcasm and intelligence especially by Conan O'Brien and relatable characters.

    I gave up on this show in 2003 and i moved on to other adult animation as the show was getting soured/stale as i feel anything past season 10 is NOT The Simpsons but Zombie Simpsons! I feel The Simpsons is a product of the 90s and has no place in today's world when it should had died in 2001 with Futurama as it's replacement.

    The show died in 2001 to me as i quit show after 2002 and gave up when we had better replacements like Futurama. Fox aka Fucks ( a formerly great studio ran by people who care before they went for greed/caring about money more than quality just like Sony). I bet TRUE fans of the show who grew up in the late 80s and 90s like me who gave up after 2002 or 2003 or 2004 knew it was an abomination because gone was the intelligent satrical writing/soul/emotion/heart/intelligence is replaced by a living dead corpse of a show puppeted by the greedy Fox who only cares for money than quality as Simpsons is now just another Sitcom than a meaningful intelligent show with emotion/heart/intellgence/soul as The Simpsons feel irrelevant nowadays compared to the 90s Simpsons and of course other adult animation nowadays.

    I tried to watch an episode of Zombie Simpsons in 2014 where Krusty's dad died and man oh man i felt my brain was melting and wanted to punch the TV. Even seeing the Lady Gaga episode in clips nearly gave me cancer.

    Yet if the show ends next year, it's better to kill something than let it suffer for it's losing more viewers and merchandise sales are going down the drain. This show has became a wounded fatally dying soldier that was shot a bunch of times in a war field and seeping behind a building with other soldiers and is asking "please kill me! please kill me so i won't suffer anymore" or like a wounded half-dead animal that needs to be put down. The Simpsons had their time in the sun but since 2001 enough is enough, time to give up Fox and end this show next year! time to rest in peace, move on and done more than enough and more than enough episodes and more than enough episodes as it's becoming a joke of itself and Fox is hurting it's legacy and damaging it's legacy and i'm tired of it. I feel like Tom Atkins at the end of Halloween III with "Stop it, stop it, STOP IT!!!!". Plus had a good run in the 90s.

    It's not only beating a dead horse, it's also beating a dead chidhood/teenhood friend friend who needs to be buried. It's now a shambling soulless unfunny poorly written husk of a show that is braindead.



    SINO (Simpsons in Name Only which is post season 11) is NOT The Simpsons, By almost any measurement, The Simpsons is the most influential television comedy ever created. It has been translated into every major language on Earth and dozens of minor ones; it has spawned entire genres of animation, and had more books written about it than all but a handful of American Presidents. Even its minor characters have become iconic, and the titular family is recognizable in almost every corner of the planet. It is a definitive and truly global cultural phenomenon, perhaps the biggest of the television age.

    if you flip on FOX at 8pm on Sundays nowadays, you will see a program that bills itself as The Simpsons. It is not The Simpsons. That show, the landmark piece of American culture that debuted on 17 December 1989, went off the air more than a decade ago. The replacement is a hopelessly mediocre imitation that bears only a superficial resemblance to the original. It is the unwanted sequel, the stale spinoff, the creative dry hole that is kept pumping in the endless search for more money. It is Zombie Simpsons.

    It's better to kill this undead rotting corpse of a show by shooting it in the head so it won't shuffle around anymore searching for new life and move on! this isn't the 90s anymore as we moved on and glad the ratings are down. I hear Matt wants to pull the plug next year. Sometimes dead is better like Jud Crandal in Pet sematary said.

    it's no longer a relevant show anymore. Now Regular Show, Rick and Morty, Bojack Horseman, Bob's Burgers, Archer or whatever nowadays for more relevant adult animation than Zombie Simpsons. Now for example, Bojack Horseman has the same heart/soul/intelligence/spirit/anti-hollywood satire/excellent writing and wit of The Simpsons (aka the REAL Simpsons), not like Zombie Simpsons.

    I also feel with Conan and some of the other writers left even Phil Hartman's death, the show went downhill. The first 10 seasons had life and since 2000 it's been on life support. But you know what as i'm a futurama and King of the Hill fan, i'm very happy and glad they ended on good notes and didn't become shambling zombie corpses as it's better to let them rest in peace and move on to make new fresh adult animation.

    Now the show is a vegetable these days and unwatchable as i'm glad i stopped watching the show in 2003 and moved on to other adult animation. I even saw the awful Simpsons movie in theaters which i had been waiting years to see after hearing in magazines since 1991 about it and it should had been made in the 90s and released around there or in 2000, now that would had been one hell of a thing instead of waiting too long as it's just Zombie Simpsons The Movie. I’ve stuck with the zombie theme in saying that early episodes suffering from a subtle decline are like a “freshly bitten” zombie. You know something’s wrong with the person, you just can’t place it, and other people in the group keep trying to defend them, either due to denial or willful ignorance. But then as the wound starts festering and the infected person starts eying everyone’s craniums, you get more and more suspicious until the bitten individual latches on to one of the last stubborn members in the group who is in mid speech defending them, and takes a bite out of their face. At that point, most of the group acts accordingly, and anyone still willing to defend the zombie deserves what’s coming to them, getting killed or infected themselves.

    But the problem with Zombie Simpsons is that there’s a disproportionate amount of defenders in denial while the stinking, rotting corpse is gnawing on their skulls. We’re past B-flick territory and are firmly entrenched in Z-grade scripts. In 2003 i finally did said "so long childhood partner, i will miss you" as i knew the show is dead and i moved on to cherish this show on DVD on Simpsons 1 to 10.

    Someone once said that being a Simpsons fan is like having a beloved relative or childhood/teenhood friend who's been on life support for years and you've accepted they're gone so you're just waiting for someone to realize they need to pull the plug on them.
    But if you haven't seen the show in over 16 years how do you know how good/bad it is?

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    Hi. Still a big fan of the show, I can vouch that while there's still the occasionally solid story (I'd say "Barthood" makes third in my the list of current candidates for best possible series finale), when we reach the lows, they're real low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by choptop View Post
    But if you haven't seen the show in over 16 years how do you know how good/bad it is?
    I trust one of my favorite sites called Dead Homer's Society which talks about old Simpsons and Zombie Simpsons from 1989 to now which they created that term and i stick to that and i stick to watching new adult animation like Bojack Horseman even cherish the classic Simpsons episodes when it was The Simpsons. Like i said in 2014, i tried watching a Zombie Simpsons episode and i felt like shooting the TV as it was sooo awful and glad i stopped.

    Nowadays, the show is now like a relative who's suffering from alzheimer's as you stopped visiting that relative and remember the good old days when they knew you

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    20th century Simpsons episodes were often continuous laughter for 30 minutes, excluding commercial breaks. 21st century ones are seldom that, but still above average for a sitcom. I haven't watched it regularly in years, but from what I hear it's gotten funnier lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewCrossett View Post
    20th century Simpsons episodes were often continuous laughter for 30 minutes, excluding commercial breaks. 21st century ones are seldom that, but still above average for a sitcom. I haven't watched it regularly in years, but from what I hear it's gotten funnier lately.
    The episode a couple weeks back where Abe Simpson was terrified by little green army men was great. As good as anything from the so-called Simpsons golden age. Maybe not fall on the floor laughing funny.
    But very well written and had such a sweet ending. Several sly cultural jabs too. I put it to the detractors. Name an episode from the first 10 years better than this episode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris-Rex View Post
    The episode a couple weeks back where Abe Simpson was terrified by little green army men was great. As good as anything from the so-called Simpsons golden age. Maybe not fall on the floor laughing funny.
    But very well written and had such a sweet ending. Several sly cultural jabs too. I put it to the detractors. Name an episode from the first 10 years better than this episode.
    I didn't see that episode, but the Homerpalooza ep is still my all time favorite.

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    I remember all of it, from Tracy Ullman onward. I haven't watched regularly in years, but I was along for the ride pretty religiously for at least the first 20. Went from watching the Treehouse of Horror episodes after trick or treating, to watching them while being one giving out the candy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    I remember all of it, from Tracy Ullman onward. I haven't watched regularly in years, but I was along for the ride pretty religiously for at least the first 20. Went from watching the Treehouse of Horror episodes after trick or treating, to watching them while being one giving out the candy.
    Never saw the Ullman ones. I started watching the Simpsons when Homer brought home the dog for Christmas and to me the show hasn't really changed that much. There have always been episodes that hit or missed.
    I never really see people cite specific examples of what they think has changed. Even in Tom's long winded complaint can be boiled down to "It sucks". But the millions of people that watch it on Sundays must still like it.
    Perhaps it is more some of the people watching that have changed what they want in a show than the show itself that has changed? Not sure if that says something about me or them. Not that I care. I'll keep watching
    the show as long as it is on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osiris-Rex View Post
    I never really see people cite specific examples of what they think has changed. Even in Tom's long winded complaint can be boiled down to "It sucks". But the millions of people that watch it on Sundays must still like it.
    "We are watching FOX"

    (If you get that one, you have my exact opinion of those people)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miles To Go View Post
    "We are watching FOX"

    (If you get that one, you have my exact opinion of those people)
    So you are saying you are better than those people? You consider yourself an elite? And they are just unwashed pig farmers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TomServofan View Post
    I trust one of my favorite sites called Dead Homer's Society which talks about old Simpsons and Zombie Simpsons from 1989 to now which they created that term and i stick to that and i stick to watching new adult animation like Bojack Horseman even cherish the classic Simpsons episodes when it was The Simpsons. Like i said in 2014, i tried watching a Zombie Simpsons episode and i felt like shooting the TV as it was sooo awful and glad i stopped.

    Nowadays, the show is now like a relative who's suffering from alzheimer's as you stopped visiting that relative and remember the good old days when they knew you
    I've no horse in the race as to the quality of the Simpsons past, present, and whatever era, but going to a site and judging the show on that seems a lot like doing a review by reading the movie's wiki and being disingenuous to the efforts that anyone is putting into the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyke View Post
    I've no horse in the race as to the quality of the Simpsons past, present, and whatever era, but going to a site and judging the show on that seems a lot like doing a review by reading the movie's wiki and being disingenuous to the efforts that anyone is putting into the show.
    Meanwhile for us unwashed pig farmers who actually do watch the show week after week the show seems as enjoyable as ever. Not saying every episode has a 100% score. But seldom are they 0%. There is almost always something fun
    in an episode, even in the worst episodes ever. Nothing so bad it makes me want to stop watching. Can you really trust the opinion of someone who stopped watching years ago as to the quality of this season?

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