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    Yes, he lies.

    All day, everyday.

    Both to protect his secret identity, and his considerably less powerful loved ones from the potentially severe reprisals of his enemies.

    FFS, see what happened when Luthor figures out Clark's secret in DAWN OF JUSTICE: both Lois and Martha were immediately kidnapped.

    People always yap about "Truth, Justice, and the American Way", and they always hound the American Way part as problematic when really it's the truth that Supes does not stand for in its purest form.

    But there's never been any doubt about the justice part.

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    I do think he stands for truth and the American way ideally, which is not literal. The absolute truth can empower his enemies and the complete American way is a paradox without end.

    Justice is represented in say, giving Lena back after Lex gave her up. He doesn't just define the concept by his convenience.

    But as we're focusing on truth, with the exception to his wife Lois I don't believe anyone is entitled to the truth of his existence. I don't think there's a reason someone like Jimmy "deserves" to know.
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    DC Database tells of Superman V.1.176: Superman's Day Of Truth. All Kryptonians must tell the truth on a holiday honoring Val Lor, who spoke out against invaders who enslaved Krypton.

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    I wish they'd use those old Kryptonian holidays and traditions more often. It's a fun way to dig into that side of Clark's life, and it can put him in fun situations. Superman trying not to lie for a whole day? That's a fun story, it's a different kind of complication and threat than he's used to, and it bring out a side of Superman that, for my money, is ignored far too often.
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    Yes he does.

    The problem is not blending in or protecting others. It is using it for personal gain...awards, headlines, not telling his employer, disappearing off the job,his wife writing stories on him ...trying to shape public opinion but neither himself or his wife giving full disclosure so when it comes to ethics...they pretty much are on shaky ground. You cannot be acting as if you are for Truth when you fail to put the mirror on yourself, especially for a character who tends to preach at others about morality. He has little excuse to be honest other than it is to stay in his comfort zone because many other heroes have loved ones too and they are open and don't hide. The only reason he has to lie is because DC wants him at the DP. Outside of that there is really no vital reason, he could not be Clark and Superman given where we are with the superhero genre. Even the way DC have him be a reporter feels dated.

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    Superman lies constantly. I do not think this is a controversial claim. If you live a double life, you're lying to somebody, probably to most people who ever meet you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellacre View Post
    Yes he does.

    The problem is not blending in or protecting others. It is using it for personal gain...awards, headlines, not telling his employer, disappearing off the job,his wife writing stories on him ...trying to shape public opinion but neither himself or his wife giving full disclosure so when it comes to ethics...they pretty much are on shaky ground. You cannot be acting as if you are for Truth when you fail to put the mirror on yourself, especially for a character who tends to preach at others about morality. He has little excuse to be honest other than it is to stay in his comfort zone because many other heroes have loved ones too and they are open and don't hide. The only reason he has to lie is because DC wants him at the DP. Outside of that there is really no vital reason, he could not be Clark and Superman given where we are with the superhero genre. Even the way DC have him be a reporter feels dated.
    Good! I know it's hypocritical of him and all that, but everything you mentioned is pretty important to Superman being an interesting character to me. It's nice that Superman has an area of his life where he's actually looking out for his own interests and personal gain, and it's not a bad thing at all for Superman to have flaws. As far as the writing about himself thing goes, while it's obviously an ethics violation, I would like to assume he's trying his best to be unbiased (even though obviously you can't rid yourself of bias completely, especially when you're THAT close). If he's really being purposefully manipulative of the truth, I would certainly have a problem with that, but while my knowledge of Superman canon is lacking, I would assume that he doesn't do that (except maybe on extremely rare and unusual occasions where he believes it's for a good reason). And yeah, being Superman helps him get some sweet headlines, but every good reporter makes use of their connections

    I know that some people want to get rid of the Daily Planet and even Superman having a secret identity at all, but to be honest, that would very severely decrease my interest in the character. That's just the way it is for me - this may sound weird, but I only ever got interested in Superman because of Clark.

    All that said - I definitely wouldn't like it if it really was the case that ALL of Clark's success comes from his connection to Superman. I can get being unhappy with that. So I think it's important that the perks he gets from being Superman only represent a relatively modest percentage of Clark's success. It's also worth noting that sometimes being Superman can have a very negative effect on his career, so I like to think it's somewhat balanced out in the end.
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