The Inhuman Condition: From Terrigenesis to the Moon - Inhuman Appreciation 2019

[Holt]

Force de Phenix, I'm gonna assume that's something directed at me, but I mentioned a while back I have you on ignore.

....you're just #&@*ing with me aren't you.

No. There's a couple of the NuHumans I really would like to see again at some point. I thought Iso had a lot of potential and that Synapse, Mosaic, Jovana and Ren were all cool. If later writers can find a place for them, that'd be great. My point was that I just get the sense that editorial has given up on them. The good thing is that who exactly died in DOI is still kind of up in the air aside from a few cases (like Naja), so some of them could potentially come back later, I just don't see Marvel going out its way to undo the events of that mini and bring everyone back.

[Seren]

I love Frank McGee and would love more of him and Auran please

[Noek]

Force de Phenix, I'm gonna assume that's something directed at me, but I mentioned a while back I have you on ignore.



No. There's a couple of the NuHumans I really would like to see again at some point. I thought Iso had a lot of potential and that Synapse, Mosaic, Jovana and Ren were all cool. If later writers can find a place for them, that'd be great. My point was that I just get the sense that editorial has given up on them. The good thing is that who exactly died in DOI is still kind of up in the air aside from a few cases (like Naja), so some of them could potentially come back later, I just don't see Marvel going out its way to undo the events of that mini and bring everyone back.

The other Inhuman related books (some non related) have not adreesessed DotI, the only thing that has is GotG something written by Cates. This started because you put how you don't see anyone at Marvel wanting to retcon it but the fact that they are ignoring it makes it feel like others don't want it. Cates final GotG synopsis says DotI is to part of the build up but other then a little mention once it played no role, so most likely Cates got some sort of dibs and the rest are there just waiting to see what they can do. All of this is theory yes but it is the silence that they just go on with not adressing it, like Lockjaw would have been perfect to show up in the first Magnificent Ms. Marvel but didn't and your thing on editors can been thrown out cause Lockjaw is popular, and not a Nuhuman but a member of the house of Agon.

What I put was to keep Inhumans being talked about and to throw ideas out. So what are your thoughts on the 3 book ideas?

[king of hybrids]

If following the Mutant way I feel the books would 100% fail since it would get X fans in a rage, but doing Maximus's future warnings we still have loss and was done before the X-pods so no one can claim RIP off.

When I say rip off, Lineage being a means of Inhuman resurrection predates the Five and the Protocols by nearly half a decade, and a mass resurrection would probably be a once off and likely fatal to Lineage.

As for predictions of the future, doesn’t Terrigen change Inhumans for anticipated (by Terrigen) functions. So if you were about to go through the die off the last 6 years have put Inhumanity through would be something that a living repository of the dead might come in handy

The connection between the Inhumans and Eternals is actually not something I considered, I could see Extraterrestrial Inhumans looking at that since it focuses on the Inhumans cosmic element.

While there is the cosmic connection via Thane to Thanos, Starfox, Gamorra and Nebula; the Earth Inhumans have the connection with the Earth Eternals. Ikarus helped BB set up Attilan in the Himylayas etc

The Kingdoms, I mentioned would be looked at in External Inhumans and using the fact of Black Bolt releasing the cloud could be something they still hold against him, the House of Agon, or New Arctilian. Although Ennilux is doing probably the best of all the Kingdoms the cloud didn't interfere with its way too much, and from Secret Warriors/Secret Empire it wasn't hit as bad by Hydra.

Ennilux is doing the best, but prior to Inhumanity it’s ‘breeding stock’ had started failing and they mysteriously didn’t have terrigen anymore (neither did Utollan); they also took substantial losses at the hands of Emma Frost‘s sentinels. Odds are things haven’t gotten much better

New Arctillan is destroyed and, with Summers House sitting in the Blue Area, a return to the Moon is off the cards.

Orollan was wiped out in their chrysalis by Thane, Sky Island degenerated due to their over-specialisation reacting to the Terrigen, Utollan was failing even before the Terrigen wave, and the smaller hidden communities are effectively gone.

There isn’t a future left to any other inhuman groups to hold against the Royals or the Attilan Diaspora; hence why I propose Lineage coughing up the recently deceased (which due to marvel time means any who’ve died since their first appearance) Inhumans and those killed in their cocoons. It restores the various kingdoms and communities, most of whom would be thrown into disorder by the actions of the Royals and they now have a large consistency of unchanged Inhumans who have nowhere else to go but to inhumanity, but who are unhappy with it

Super Alchemy sounds good, although I would just give them magic through the Inhuman Direwraiths, a main reason for splitting the universal Inhumans is to let each a chance to stand on their own.

If the Universal Inhumans are splitting off then giving the Earth Inhumans alchemy is more about giving them something separate from the others as A) the Universals still have their transformative agent, while the Inhumans need to rediscover theirs through alchemy, and B) the rediscovery of old, ritualistic and unshowy alchemy-based magic leans towards the Inhumans being an older force in the world and is distinct from the ‘X is better than a magic circle’ approach to mutant magic.

With regards to you plan for 3 books and how to undo DoI, I think it’s good; but I respectfully fear that it’s overly ambitious considering the state of the IP. I want DoI undone from the perspective of having as much as possible back in the toy box so that they might be used in the future, but in the here and now I take the cynical route that the means for the return of the Inhumans lies through Ms. Marvel and having to kiss the X-Men’s ass. A lot.

[Holt]

The other Inhuman related books (some non related) have not adreesessed DotI, the only thing that has is GotG something written by Cates.

Bruh, and like I said before, none of those other books have done anything to contradict it or feature those missing characters either. Don't know why that's such a controversial point.

This started because you put how you don't see anyone at Marvel wanting to retcon it but the fact that they are ignoring it makes it feel like others don't want it.

And like I said, the fact that it's been close to a year and the Nuhumans are for the most part still absent is extremely telling to me.

[Force de Phenix]

And like I said, the fact that it's been close to a year and the Nuhumans are for the most part still absent is extremely telling to me.

The ex-royals have been absent too. What's your point?

The other Inhuman related books (some non related) have not adreesessed DotI, the only thing that has is GotG something written by Cates. This started because you put how you don't see anyone at Marvel wanting to retcon it but the fact that they are ignoring it makes it feel like others don't want it. Cates final GotG synopsis says DotI is to part of the build up but other then a little mention once it played no role, so most likely Cates got some sort of dibs and the rest are there just waiting to see what they can do. All of this is theory yes but it is the silence that they just go on with not adressing it, like Lockjaw would have been perfect to show up in the first Magnificent Ms. Marvel but didn't and your thing on editors can been thrown out cause Lockjaw is popular, and not a Nuhuman but a member of the house of Agon.

What I put was to keep Inhumans being talked about and to throw ideas out. So what are your thoughts on the 3 book ideas?

The inhumans have been very inconsistent, and they've brought Black Bolt, Gorgon, and Karnak back from the dead once already, (and all of the dead mutants mind you). If a writer wanted to use Karnak's return from the dead to bring any character back, they would probably do it.

There was a type of boycott and contempt towards Marvel because of diversity and the inhumans were seen as a part of them "shoving diversity and new things down readers throats." They were part of a divisive moment in comicdom.

The 3 books seems like a good idea because the stories are there. If they brought back Jane Foster, they might bring back the inhumans, but writers are afraid of the hate that's become associated with them and toxic readers.

Holt went off topic for some reason.

[Holt]

[Noek]

oh here is what they said

[Holt]

oh here is what they said

Nah, I ain't readin' that. Thanks tho.

[skyvolt2000]

The ex-royals have been absent too. What's your point?

The inhumans have been very inconsistent, and they've brought Black Bolt, Gorgon, and Karnak back from the dead once already, (and all of the dead mutants mind you). If a writer wanted to use Karnak's return from the dead to bring any character back, they would probably do it.

There was a type of boycott and contempt towards Marvel because of diversity and the inhumans were seen as a part of them "shoving diversity and new things down readers throats." They were part of a divisive moment in comicdom.

Has anyone bothered to consider editorial might not be allowing anyone to use them?

Since Marvel seems to be pandering to that toxic fandom as so many POC along with Inhumans & everyone else that had to put up with that crap have vanished over the past year.

Nice message to send that bullying and harassing fans over books that could be IGNORED to get what you want could work. Ask DC comics how that work out. How are franchises NOT named Batman working out.

[Seren]

Has anyone bothered to consider editorial might not be allowing anyone to use them?

Since Marvel seems to be pandering to that toxic fandom as so many POC along with Inhumans & everyone else that had to put up with that crap have vanished over the past year.

Nice message to send that bullying and harassing fans over books that could be IGNORED to get what you want could work. Ask DC comics how that work out. How are franchises NOT named Batman working out.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

[Noek]

When I say rip off, Lineage being a means of Inhuman resurrection predates the Five and the Protocols by nearly half a decade, and a mass resurrection would probably be a once off and likely fatal to Lineage.

As for predictions of the future, doesn’t Terrigen change Inhumans for anticipated (by Terrigen) functions. So if you were about to go through the die off the last 6 years have put Inhumanity through would be something that a living repository of the dead might come in handy



While there is the cosmic connection via Thane to Thanos, Starfox, Gamorra and Nebula; the Earth Inhumans have the connection with the Earth Eternals. Ikarus helped BB set up Attilan in the Himylayas etc



Ennilux is doing the best, but prior to Inhumanity it’s ‘breeding stock’ had started failing and they mysteriously didn’t have terrigen anymore (neither did Utollan); they also took substantial losses at the hands of Emma Frost‘s sentinels. Odds are things haven’t gotten much better

New Arctillan is destroyed and, with Summers House sitting in the Blue Area, a return to the Moon is off the cards.

Orollan was wiped out in their chrysalis by Thane, Sky Island degenerated due to their over-specialisation reacting to the Terrigen, Utollan was failing even before the Terrigen wave, and the smaller hidden communities are effectively gone.

There isn’t a future left to any other inhuman groups to hold against the Royals or the Attilan Diaspora; hence why I propose Lineage coughing up the recently deceased (which due to marvel time means any who’ve died since their first appearance) Inhumans and those killed in their cocoons. It restores the various kingdoms and communities, most of whom would be thrown into disorder by the actions of the Royals and they now have a large consistency of unchanged Inhumans who have nowhere else to go but to inhumanity, but who are unhappy with it



If the Universal Inhumans are splitting off then giving the Earth Inhumans alchemy is more about giving them something separate from the others as A) the Universals still have their transformative agent, while the Inhumans need to rediscover theirs through alchemy, and B) the rediscovery of old, ritualistic and unshowy alchemy-based magic leans towards the Inhumans being an older force in the world and is distinct from the ‘X is better than a magic circle’ approach to mutant magic.

With regards to you plan for 3 books and how to undo DoI, I think it’s good; but I respectfully fear that it’s overly ambitious considering the state of the IP. I want DoI undone from the perspective of having as much as possible back in the toy box so that they might be used in the future, but in the here and now I take the cynical route that the means for the return of the Inhumans lies through Ms. Marvel and having to kiss the X-Men’s ass. A lot.

Ok u see more what you mean as to use Lineage the only problem is he is tied to his blood line, but the use of Primegien could increase it to all dead Inhumans.

Ennilux lost a chunk of its military during ivx but the true power its wealth and connections I think would be ok.

For Sky island and Utollon I could see Ennilux saving them with the antigen device.

As for the alchemy and magic I still believe allowing the Direwraiths going back to their mystic routes is the best call like remember when the MCU was going science = magic and it felt kind of cheap. Not saying don't do that but have some abracadabra spells as well.

[Holt]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this.

Has anyone bothered to consider editorial might not be allowing anyone to use them?

Since Marvel seems to be pandering to that toxic fandom as so many POC along with Inhumans & everyone else that had to put up with that crap have vanished over the past year.

Nice message to send that bullying and harassing fans over books that could be IGNORED to get what you want could work. Ask DC comics how that work out. How are franchises NOT named Batman working out.

I doubt they were banned. I do think they might have placed a moratorium on the Royals specifically after DOI though, similar to the hiatus the Thor franchise went on after Ragnarok and before JMS took over. That seems like a cool down for sure.

But as for Inhumans as a whole, I don't think they were banned from use or anything. After all, Jane Foster was just as controversial and she's back in her own book. In fact, most of the replacement or "diversity" characters people online bitched about under the previous regime are still around in some form or another.

[Force de Phenix]

Has anyone bothered to consider editorial might not be allowing anyone to use them?

Since Marvel seems to be pandering to that toxic fandom as so many POC along with Inhumans & everyone else that had to put up with that crap have vanished over the past year.

Nice message to send that bullying and harassing fans over books that could be IGNORED to get what you want could work. Ask DC comics how that work out. How are franchises NOT named Batman working out.

Yeah, Legacy was abrupt and had a name to try to appease those readers. I think the majority of new inhumans brought diversity to Marvel. I don't know if we're gonna see something similar in the future with the legacy characters as the status quo.

[Noek]

So Al Ewing talked about their up coming GotG book and mentioned Marvel Boy (part of the main roster) and Plex, referencing his work from Royals.
What are the chances of seeing some Inhumans in it do people think?