Uncanny X-Men #10 (spoilers/discussion)

[spirit2011]

Be Jean's kid + commit murder = She still cares

Be Jean's kid + try to destroy the world = She still cares

Be Jean's kid + Get kidnapped and brainwashed = She doesn't care

All of these three events occured under the same writer, and this is why an otherwise interesting discussion about Jean's feelings vs. being a pragmatic leader is already ruined.

Wi-FI said he would get to Rachel. A nd a x-men crisis hapened

Compassion for terrorists? Yeah, it’s for kids.

Nate a terrorist?

If you can avoid getting a whole planet destroyed throught compassion, do it

[drwho]

Can someone tell me what a celestial seed is? How does that repower some one? If nate could make all the religious places disappear didn t he already have the power to alter reality?

[Wiccan]

Be Jean's kid + commit murder = She still cares

Be Jean's kid + try to destroy the world = She still cares

Be Jean's kid + Get kidnapped and brainwashed = She doesn't care

All of these three events occured under the same writer, and this is why an otherwise interesting discussion about Jean's feelings vs. being a pragmatic leader is already ruined.

Rachel got teleported away, so there was nothing Jean could do. The writing failed because of how it didn't show her as being affected enough by something terrible like that happening to Rachel, but the whole Rachel Hound thing didn't get enough panel time in general, because the story already had a lot to solve in regards to the O5. Now we had Uncanny set after it, and no one else has mentioned Rachel either. Not Kurt, not Kitty, not Storm. No one has come to her rescue, not just Jean. There's not a growing narrative about Jean's feelings towards Rachel, it's just the writers being incompentent.

Also, if I had to guess, I'd say Rosenberg was probably the one to write the Jean/Nate thing rather than Brisson.

[Snoop Dogg]

It does make everyone look like sociopaths too, but it does it the most to Jean, the character they want to portray as mutant Mother Teresa now.

[ExodusCloak]

They had half an issue that focuses on Jean Grey and Hope grieving Cable. Let's not talk about "Not enough panel time".

They resolved the O5 stuff in a few pages both Extermination and Disassembled could have been told in half the panel space.

If anything it was probably Brisson who wrote it.

[Havok83]

Rachel got teleported away, so there was nothing Jean could do. The writing failed because of how it didn't show her as being affected enough by something terrible like that happening to Rachel, but the whole Rachel Hound thing didn't get enough panel time in general, because the story already had a lot to solve in regards to the O5. No we had Uncanny set after it, and no one else has mentioned Rachel either. Not Kurt, not Kitty, not Storm. No one has come to her rescue, not just Jean. There's not a growing narrative about Jean's feelings towards Rachel, it's just the writers being incompentent.

Also, if I had to guess, I'd say Rosenberg was probably the one to write the Jean/Nate thing rather than Brisson.

They failed in not having Jean vow to save Rachel. Like 3 pages after Rachel was taken, they have Jean having ice cream and a good time and Rachel isnt brought up....it was in poor taste. There was also Exterminated which had the theme being family and Jean didnt acknowledge Rachel at all (which would have been appropriate). Instead it focused on her bonding with Hope. The writers really could have done better by showing Jean using Cerebra to try and locate Rachel and failing. It wouldnt have taken much


With that said, this is nothing new. Jean has zero connections to Nate, yet she bonded and was closer to him in the 90s then she ever was with Rachel.

[cranger]

Is Legion alive?

Did they address whether the AoXM reality is in Nate's mind or did he create a pocket dimension?

Nate was split from Legion who seemed to be alive. Shortly after that Nate makes everyone (at the battle) vanish, than he vanishes leaving the life seed on the ground. Age of X-Man Alpha might give more information about what specifically happened.

Can someone tell me what a celestial seed is? How does that repower some one? If nate could make all the religious places disappear didn t he already have the power to alter reality?

Typically they are used to initiate growth of life on a planet. They get used up after that. What people do with used up life seeds just depends on what the writer thinks it would be cool to do and use it as an excuse. There really is not any explanation here as to what the life seed does, only that Nate found it.

[phoenixzero23]

I like Rachel but she has nothing to do with this book. You are bitting the bait of the people that want to crap on Jean for everything.

[Ambaryerno]

This whole event has be fraught with problems.

Round characters were squeezed into square holes; Anole stealing the cure makes no sense because he was never presented as having these sorts of issues before. It would have worked much better had it been Glob, or possibly even Mercury. Armor as the voice of the X-kids rings hollow because she’s one of Logan’s privileged protégés who usually is included on the full roster.

And worst of all is that the plot is dropped with no buildup or development. Magneto, Blob, and Omega Red are horsemen off the bat because the plot calls for it right then and there, not because of any groundwork laid in the narrative. Nate is dying, and yet we don’t know of what, or when, or how. He has a life seed because he needed it for the plot, and yet we’re never told how or when he found it.

These aren’t minor quibbles, but undermine the entire premise of the event.

[AJpyro]

There is no logic to who was or wasn't called in because like Extermination, there is more being done for the sake of future stories then there is for the stories themselves.

Isnt't that what literally screwed over the DCEU?

[Dthirds3]

If the anole crap was built up with us seeing how hard life was for him and presented as him not being able to handle the pressure, I'd buy it. Shame it was presented as being different was wrong.
But Know what makes it worse being if you think of everyting mutants were a allegory for when he decided to give the cure away

[PhoenixStudies]

Be Jean's kid + commit murder = She still cares

Be Jean's kid + try to destroy the world = She still cares

Be Jean's kid + Get kidnapped and brainwashed = She doesn't care

All of these three events occured under the same writer, and this is why an otherwise interesting discussion about Jean's feelings vs. being a pragmatic leader is already ruined.

Well, she cared (and she embraced Rachel as her daughter) when Rachel was being controlled by Cassandra. She just didn't care when Rachel was controlled by Ahab.

And she's not going to care that her new boyfriend tried to kill her granddaughter (I'm ok with this tho because that story was crazy character assassination to begin with).

People complain when Jean is little miss perfect, but they also complain when she is not perfect.

She has too many adult kids, either just a little bit younger than she is or older than her, with Rachel, Nathan, Nate, Stryfe, and a teenage grandaughter, Hope, and a new teenage son, Kid Cable. She has also had a teenage self temporarily running around in Teen Jean, has an identical twin/clone in Maddie and has had to deal with a co-dependent cosmic force (occasionally). She has a lot on her plate. Its too much to keep up with. She can't meet all their needs at once. Nevermind all her love triangle/rectangle/pentagram drama with Scott, Emma, Logan and soon Bishop. They can't saturate every appearance of Jeans with her concern for all these family members and intimates.

[AJpyro]

Be Jean's kid + commit murder = She still cares

Be Jean's kid + try to destroy the world = She still cares

Be Jean's kid + Get kidnapped and brainwashed = She doesn't care

All of these three events occured under the same writer, and this is why an otherwise interesting discussion about Jean's feelings vs. being a pragmatic leader is already ruined.

I have no counter to that. Jesus what is this timeline?

[cranger]

But Know what makes it worse being if you think of everyting mutants were a allegory for when he decided to give the cure away

It was not presented that way, that is how some people feel. Some people want to be accepted, they don't want to feel different or be treated different. The X-Men stories have drawn from a lot of real life experiences and the appeal to people of different lifestyles has evolved and grown over time, we should not limit the stories being told with how it reflects some specific real life situation or group.

[Godlike13]

Be Jean's kid + commit murder = She still cares

Be Jean's kid + try to destroy the world = She still cares

Be Jean's kid + Get kidnapped and brainwashed = She doesn't care

All of these three events occured under the same writer, and this is why an otherwise interesting discussion about Jean's feelings vs. being a pragmatic leader is already ruined.

Jean obviously wanted sons.