Slott v. Spencer: Year One

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Slott's work on the BND era was a collaboration of ideas between all the writers involved in the Spidey Brain Trust.

Every run on Spider-Man is a collaboration of ideas. Even Big Time for instance was affected by editorial since they told Slott to keep Carlie Cooper to maintain continuity with BND. And characters co-created by others like John Jameson and others were retained and carried over. Heck Peter gets his job at Horizon because May, now married to Jameson, has connections to pull to get him the job.

And in any case, Slott's major story Superior Spider-Man began in the BND era in Issue #600 when Spider-Man encounters that brain scanner that unintentionally led to Octopus getting close to hijacking his body.

So the idea that Slott's run had no ties to BND or that BIG TIME is a grand break from before is insupportable.

[KC]

Every run on Spider-Man is a collaboration of ideas. Even Big Time for instance was affected by editorial since they told Slott to keep Carlie Cooper to maintain continuity with BND. And characters co-created by others like John Jameson and others were retained and carried over. Heck Peter gets his job at Horizon because May, now married to Jameson, has connections to pull to get him the job.

And in any case, Slott's major story Superior Spider-Man began in the BND era in Issue #600 when Spider-Man encounters that brain scanner that unintentionally led to Octopus getting close to hijacking his body.

So the idea that Slott's run had no ties to BND or that BIG TIME is a grand break from before is insupportable.

A few editorial mandates being given to a writer is different from what happened in the BND era. All the writers were coming up with ideas that affected each other's stories. Most of the ideas that came from the Big Time era came from Slott as Slott was the solo writer.

And as I said, the OP was clearly asking us to compare Slott's time as the solo writer from Big time to Spencer's run. So this is a pointless argument.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

And as I said, the OP was clearly asking us to compare Slott's time as the solo writer from Big time to Spencer's run. So this is a pointless argument.

The title of the thread is Year One, and Big Time wasn't Slott's Year One on ASM. That was Brand New Day. And it's not fair to compare Spencer's first actual year on ASM to a storyline that came three years later.

I pointed out this problem and the OP admitted that I had a point. (https://community.cbr.com/showthread...=1#post4208738).

It's like comparing the first two issues of every writer to The Night Gwen Stacy Died, when Conway's first ten issues were #111-120. Conway's run in a large sense began with ASM 121-122, and that led to his strong turn but it would be ridiculous to call that a debut issue.

And also it's disrespectful to the likes of Conway, Wein, Wolfman, Stern, Defalco, none of whom made it to 40 issues, not to mention writers like PAD and JMD who only ever wrote fill-in, tie-in, and one-off issues on the ASM title, to pretend that Slott's number of issues on BND wasn't significant or important in terms of quantity and content to count as a major start. For any writer, one issue on ASM is a major mark or event and they make it count. PAD wrote The Commuter Commuteth, which was adapted entirely into Spider-Man Homecoming. That's one issue in the middle of Defalco's run.

[KC]

The title of the thread is Year One, and Big Time wasn't Slott's Year One on ASM. That was Brand New Day. And it's not fair to compare Spencer's first actual year on ASM to a storyline that came three years later.

I pointed out this problem and the OP admitted that I had a point. (https://community.cbr.com/showthread...=1#post4208738).

It's like comparing the first two issues of every writer to The Night Gwen Stacy Died, when Conway's first ten issues were #111-120. Conway's run in a large sense began with ASM 121-122, and that led to his strong turn but it would be ridiculous to call that a debut issue.

And also it's disrespectful to the likes of Conway, Wein, Wolfman, Stern, Defalco, none of whom made it to 40 issues, not to mention writers like PAD and JMD who only ever wrote fill-in, tie-in, and one-off issues on the ASM title, to pretend that Slott's number of issues on BND wasn't significant or important in terms of quantity and content to count as a major start. For any writer, one issue on ASM is a major mark or event and they make it count. PAD wrote The Commuter Commuteth, which was adapted entirely into Spider-Man Homecoming. That's one issue in the middle of Defalco's run.

The description indicates that he was talking about Slott's first year as the solo writer. Slott was not the sole writer of ASM during the BND era because he was part of the brain trust. This is really not that difficult to understand.

Comparing Conway's issues that he did without any influence from other writers to other run's that were done without the influence of other writers is fair.

[WebSlingWonder]

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Ay yo...when I made the post, I was actually referring to their first years as solo writers, so...I agreed in the sense that he had A run, but i wouldn't consider it a full run before "Big Time."

[WebSlingWonder]

The description indicates that he was talking about Slott's first year as the solo writer. Slott was not the sole writer of ASM during the BND era because he was part of the brain trust. This is really not that difficult to understand.

Comparing Conway's issues that he did without any influence from other writers to other run's that were done without the influence of other writers is fair.

Yeah, you beat me to it! That's what I meant.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

The description indicates that he was talking about Slott's first year as the solo writer. Slott was not the sole writer of ASM during the BND era because he was part of the brain trust. This is really not that difficult to understand.

Comparing Conway's issues that he did without any influence from other writers to other run's that were done without the influence of other writers is fair.

By that logic, Spencer's first year still shouldn't be compared to Big Time since it's still affected by and influenced by the fallout of Slott's run.

[WebSlingWonder]

By that logic, Spencer's first year still shouldn't be compared to Big Time since it's still affected by and influenced by the fallout of Slott's run.

Oh my freaking...it's not that deep, dude. I meant FIRST YEAR AS SOLO WRITER. For Slott, it's "Big Time," for Spencer, it's "Back to Basics."

[KC]

By that logic, Spencer's first year still shouldn't be compared to Big Time since it's still affected by and influenced by the fallout of Slott's run.

WebSlingWonder has confirmed that the op is asking us to compare Slott's run starting from Big Time to Spencer. So there is no need to continue.

[Inversed]

Having an uninterrupted solo run on Spider-Man is an unprecedented thing. So talking about first solo year feels like a weird comparison and bar measured against the breadth of publishing history. Ever since Spectacular Spider-Man launched in 1976, there has always been a team of Spider-Man writers. ASM would claim pride of place but as it happens, there was always an issue when in the same month a Spectacular or Web of Spider-Man dealt with different characters and so on and later authors had to refer to those stories for continuity reasons and editors would insist on it. That wouldn't be a problem if Spectacular Spider-Man was crap, but then in the pages of Spectacular you had The Death of Jean deWolf, you had JMD's Harry Osborn stories, and of course KLH was a story that ran across all Spider-Man titles. All of these are classic stories. Nick Spencer's first issue refers to Matt Fractions' Annual for Sensational Spider-Man. And likewise, Slott's Go Down Swinging depends on Jameson knowing Peter's identity, a development that Chip Zdarsky did in the revived Spectacular Spider-Man.

And even then Spencer has to collaborate with Tom Taylor on FNSM. So it's not like his first year is entirely solo either.

That's exactly why most people were comparing between Slott and Spencer's first solo runs as opposed to EVERY SINGLE WRITER's solo runs, because it is much more complicated in terms of size length and approach. Slott's start at Big Time and Spencer's current run are both double monthly series, so you'll have 24 issues to compare each for the year.

Of course books are going to reference and integrate plot developments from other books, and obviously the writer has to work alongside editors and work around what other writers are doing in other books (Slott himself has been pretty candid recently over all the what he could and couldn't do), but that still doesn't change that between late 2010 to mid 2018, he was the one crafting the narrative for Amazing Spider-Man, and the guy pushing the stories he was telling in their specific directions. While Brand New Day was 5 writers (+ the editors) bouncing completely different ideas for stories for each other to write, which they communicated much more closely than if they were writing separate books, its much more reminiscent of a TV writer's room.

There's a difference between Zdarsky or Taylor doing something in a different book, which Slott or Spencer decide to integrate into their story, than Slott tells a story, then Guggenheim tells a story, then Gale does a story, etc. with each writer having to work DIRECTLY right off of each other.

Every run on Spider-Man is a collaboration of ideas. Even Big Time for instance was affected by editorial since they told Slott to keep Carlie Cooper to maintain continuity with BND. And characters co-created by others like John Jameson and others were retained and carried over. Heck Peter gets his job at Horizon because May, now married to Jameson, has connections to pull to get him the job.

And in any case, Slott's major story Superior Spider-Man began in the BND era in Issue #600 when Spider-Man encounters that brain scanner that unintentionally led to Octopus getting close to hijacking his body.

So the idea that Slott's run had no ties to BND or that BIG TIME is a grand break from before is insupportable.

You can say this about literally every long-running superhero comic book. Of course its a collaboration of ideas and bouncing off concepts from other books and stories, there's still usually someone who is considered the main "guiding voice" of that era.

And we aren't saying that there's "absolutely no ties" to BND in his work or that it's completely important, we're saying the point when he himself became that "guiding voice" for the ASM book was Big Time.

The title of the thread is Year One, and Big Time wasn't Slott's Year One on ASM. That was Brand New Day. And it's not fair to compare Spencer's first actual year on ASM to a storyline that came three years later.

I pointed out this problem and the OP admitted that I had a point. (https://community.cbr.com/showthread...=1#post4208738).

It's like comparing the first two issues of every writer to The Night Gwen Stacy Died, when Conway's first ten issues were #111-120. Conway's run in a large sense began with ASM 121-122, and that led to his strong turn but it would be ridiculous to call that a debut issue.

And also it's disrespectful to the likes of Conway, Wein, Wolfman, Stern, Defalco, none of whom made it to 40 issues, not to mention writers like PAD and JMD who only ever wrote fill-in, tie-in, and one-off issues on the ASM title, to pretend that Slott's number of issues on BND wasn't significant or important in terms of quantity and content to count as a major start. For any writer, one issue on ASM is a major mark or event and they make it count. PAD wrote The Commuter Commuteth, which was adapted entirely into Spider-Man Homecoming. That's one issue in the middle of Defalco's run.

Except like you pointed out, Conway wrote everything between #111 and 121, so 111 is his start. He didn't write 3 issues, then have other writers come in and do some, then write a couple more, etc.

Tom King is about to do a 105-issue run on Batman over about 4 years, while Scott Snyder's Batman was only 52 at like 4 and a half years. Doesn't diminish either series' merits just on their size.

Also, saying that a story or issue isn't part of a "run" doesn't diminish the story itself or the writer's work on it, it just states that it wasn't part of their consecutive run, that's all.

Oh my freaking...it's not that deep, dude. I meant FIRST YEAR AS SOLO WRITER. For Slott, it's "Big Time," for Spencer, it's "Back to Basics."

Thank you for saying it.

[WebSlingWonder]

That's exactly why most people were comparing between Slott and Spencer's first solo runs as opposed to EVERY SINGLE WRITER's solo runs, because it is much more complicated in terms of size length and approach. Slott's start at Big Time and Spencer's current run are both double monthly series, so you'll have 24 issues to compare each for the year.

Of course books are going to reference and integrate plot developments from other books, and obviously the writer has to work alongside editors and work around what other writers are doing in other books (Slott himself has been pretty candid recently over all the what he could and couldn't do), but that still doesn't change that between late 2010 to mid 2018, he was the one crafting the narrative for Amazing Spider-Man, and the guy pushing the stories he was telling in their specific directions. While Brand New Day was 5 writers (+ the editors) bouncing completely different ideas for stories for each other to write, which they communicated much more closely than if they were writing separate books, its much more reminiscent of a TV writer's room.

There's a difference between Zdarsky or Taylor doing something in a different book, which Slott or Spencer decide to integrate into their story, than Slott tells a story, then Guggenheim tells a story, then Gale does a story, etc. with each writer having to work DIRECTLY right off of each other.



You can say this about literally every long-running superhero comic book. Of course its a collaboration of ideas and bouncing off concepts from other books and stories, there's still usually someone who is considered the main "guiding voice" of that era.

And we aren't saying that there's "absolutely no ties" to BND in his work or that it's completely important, we're saying the point when he himself became that "guiding voice" for the ASM book was Big Time.



Except like you pointed out, Conway wrote everything between #111 and 121, so 111 is his start. He didn't write 3 issues, then have other writers come in and do some, then write a couple more, etc.

Tom King is about to do a 105-issue run on Batman over about 4 years, while Scott Snyder's Batman was only 52 at like 4 and a half years. Doesn't diminish either series' merits just on their size.

Also, saying that a story or issue isn't part of a "run" doesn't diminish the story itself or the writer's work on it, it just states that it wasn't part of their consecutive run, that's all.



Thank you for saying it.

Thank you and Deku for understanding. I thought I was clear in my initial post.

[Mister Mets]

The title of the thread is Year One, and Big Time wasn't Slott's Year One on ASM. That was Brand New Day. And it's not fair to compare Spencer's first actual year on ASM to a storyline that came three years later.

I pointed out this problem and the OP admitted that I had a point. (https://community.cbr.com/showthread...=1#post4208738).

It's like comparing the first two issues of every writer to The Night Gwen Stacy Died, when Conway's first ten issues were #111-120. Conway's run in a large sense began with ASM 121-122, and that led to his strong turn but it would be ridiculous to call that a debut issue.

And also it's disrespectful to the likes of Conway, Wein, Wolfman, Stern, Defalco, none of whom made it to 40 issues, not to mention writers like PAD and JMD who only ever wrote fill-in, tie-in, and one-off issues on the ASM title, to pretend that Slott's number of issues on BND wasn't significant or important in terms of quantity and content to count as a major start. For any writer, one issue on ASM is a major mark or event and they make it count. PAD wrote The Commuter Commuteth, which was adapted entirely into Spider-Man Homecoming. That's one issue in the middle of Defalco's run.

The first post made it clear that he was talking about the solo run. The title was about the first years.

If you want to compare Slott's Brand New Day work to Spencer's first whatever many issues, by all means start a poll on that question. But there isn't much point in countering a standard that has been clearly articulated.