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    Honestly I think Brubaker and Fraction are a little overrated. The art did so much of the lifting for a rather well written story built on some pretty basic ideas. The Iron Fist legacy just isn't that remarkable aside from Randall being cool and it being a storytelling engine for filler material.

    I'll have to re read Swiercynzski and Andrews but they both did well in the shadows of the other work. Brisson's comic was a lot of fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuwagaton View Post
    Honestly I think Brubaker and Fraction are a little overrated. The art did so much of the lifting for a rather well written story built on some pretty basic ideas. The Iron Fist legacy just isn't that remarkable aside from Randall being cool and it being a storytelling engine for filler material.

    I'll have to re read Swiercynzski and Andrews but they both did well in the shadows of the other work. Brisson's comic was a lot of fun.
    The reputation is well-deserved I think. Yes, Aja's art was and still is beautiful and dynamic. Whether the page was filled with multiple panels or a splash page, the art was incredible. But the writing and storytelling were good. We got to see Danny fleshed out more as a character and the Iron Fist legacy, K'un Lun mythos, and Heavenly Cities expanded upon. Now, on a glance, the ideas were basic. An iron fist legacy. Cities besides K'un Lun. A women's revolution in K'un Lun. But that's the beauty isn't it, the simplest ideas turn out to be the best ones.

    Indeed, there still a ton, TON of potential with the Iron Fist legacy. There had to be Iron Fists who crossed over with Black Panthers and Moon Knights. I guarantee you an Iron Fist fought against Apocalypse and his Four Horsemen (would be cool if Iron Fist and the other Immortal Weapons fought against Apocalypse and Clan Akkaba for the fate of K'un Lun, the Heavenly Cities, or China). Plus, there's still a lot more legacy left. Pei and future Iron Fists have plenty of story potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tien Long View Post
    Want to reread Brisson's run. Brubaker-light, sure, but it was a good, clean, story that reestablished a lot of aspects of both Iron Fist and his mythos.

    In any case, be on the lookout folks. Danny and Luke have made appearances in the War of Realms main book and tie-in's. Yeah, he just gets a line or two, but still appreciate the fact that Danny is still around.
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    The Brubaker/Fraction run was not without flaws - the writers were maybe a bit too much in love with their Orson Randal (and who was, awkwardly, yet another non-Asian outlander Iron Fist), we started to get too much emphasis on powers and weapons rather than martial art styles (imo), and once Aja jumps ship the story flounders a little, with a disappointing melee battle rather than the kind of duels I wanted for Danny - but altogether it was a great run with some terrific artwork, not just from Aja, but also from Travel Foreman in the flashbacks (his work is much better here than in the following run, imo).

    Swiercynzski's run was okay, and I liked Brisson's run without finding it particularly interesting; Andrews' run had great art, but I flat-out hated it - I felt it treated a lot of the Iron Fist mythos with a lack of respect or affection, plus it managed to have no fights for Danny that I thought were really cool!
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    For me, Brubaker, Faction, and Aja set a good tone. The storytelling and characterization were really good throughout their two arcs, though I feel that the ball was dropped on the last issue of the tournament storyline, since Aja didn't fully draw it. Swiercynzski and Forman started off their run in the mold of Brubaker and Aja, but really made the series their own with the 8th City arc. That was a good story. Felt like this Dirty Dozens/Expendables group of immortal weapons who had to fight their way out of hell.

    I've said it before, I'll say it again, I enjoyed Kaare's run. It was jarring at first since it didn't seem to fit with the past characterization of Danny. It works, however, if you're willing to believe that someone like Danny could have mental health issues. And for me, i could accept that. I know of a lot of people who can be calm, centered, practice meditation, yoga, and martial arts, and still have to go to therapy to deal with anger, PTSD, and depression. To me, that was Danny. As for the fights, I thought the last four issues were just soooo good. Danny and Sparrow storming Rand Enterprises, an iron fist that went 3 pages long, transferring chi to make a building robot against a fire god, that was some over the top, blockbuster, balls to wall action film stuff there. In the end, we got the Danny that we knew and love. Plus, there were new characters like Pei (who defintely deserves to come back. Please, people at Marvel, can we have Pei back? Make her the sidekick of Danny, or part of the Champions, BUT PLEASE JUST BRING BACK PEI!).

    As for Brisson's run, it was just good, steady, storytelling. It didn't add, but it reestablished that Danny was a premeire martial artist and deserved to be the Iron Fist.
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    As a reminder, Danny will be showing up in the latest War of Realms one-shot, Strikeforce: Land of Giants coming out this Wednesday. Check it out at the link http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com...giants-2019-1/
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    Danny returns in a mini for the next event in August, alongside Cloak, Dagger, and Morbius. Because they were all guests used to pad out the original, terrible Maximum Carnage.



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    Cooooooooool!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    Danny returns in a mini for the next event in August, alongside Cloak, Dagger, and Morbius. Because they were all guests used to pad out the original, terrible Maximum Carnage.



    Iron Fist and Morbius in a comic together?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop Dogg View Post
    Danny returns in a mini for the next event in August, alongside Cloak, Dagger, and Morbius. Because they were all guests used to pad out the original, terrible Maximum Carnage.



    Ha, I didn't mind Maximum Carnage. When you're 8 yrs. old, that stuff was storytelling at it's best. Yeah, it seemed every issue was mindless action this and body bag that, but still, it was nice.

    And it's great to see some of the original heroes from that crossover will be making an appearance. Real street level icons here.

    Ultimately, looking forward to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tien Long View Post
    Ha, I didn't mind Maximum Carnage. When you're 8 yrs. old, that stuff was storytelling at it's best. Yeah, it seemed every issue was mindless action this and body bag that, but still, it was nice.

    And it's great to see some of the original heroes from that crossover will be making an appearance. Real street level icons here.

    Ultimately, looking forward to this.
    Agreed. Maximum Carnage was brain-candy of the finest quality.

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    Danny appeared in the recent issue of Daredevil. Daredevil is currently on a very strong run and I hightly recommend checking it out if you haven’t.
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    Just read Danny's appearance in the War of Realms Strikeforce: Land of Giants one-shot. We get to see Danny quip and make some jokes. His relationship with Luke was cool. Saw an iron fist. But, definitely felt that there could be more, especially the iron fists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    from some past Marvel Handbook entries:


    from The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Vol. 1 No. 5 (May 1983)


    from The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Master Edition Vol. 1 No. 24 (November 1992)


    from The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe: Marvel Knights 2005
    Now with the original Marvel Universe handbook, it says this about Danny's chi focusing abilities: Iron fist is able to focus his chi to "spiritually reinforce Olympic level normal abilities raising them to peak human capacity." It then states, "This includes strength, speed, stamina and concentration. . . ."

    Since Danny is an olympic level athlete and his chi focus throughout his body can raise them to peak human capacity, I always felt that Danny should be able to physically be on the level of Captain America and Black Panther. The thing is this really is barely touched on by creators that wrote Danny. I mean if he was already an Olympic level athlete and his chi can reinforce and raise his strength, speed, stamina and concentration to peak human capacity; then that is what Cap and BP can do via the Sup. Soldier Serum and Heart Shaped Herb. Now Danny is smaller in frame to Cap and BP. They are 200lbs and over and Danny is only 175lbs, so I guess he would not be as strong but his physical capabilities should be on their level. I said and wrote this for years but was wondering other Iron Fist fans thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tien Long View Post
    As a reminder, Danny will be showing up in the latest War of Realms one-shot, Strikeforce: Land of Giants coming out this Wednesday. Check it out at the link http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com...giants-2019-1/
    Is this worth picking up for Iron Fist Fans?

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