What do you think cause Doomsday Clock delays and should it be fixed ?

[king81992]

At this point one has to wonder if there is even a point or a plan with this series.......

The plan is(or was) to bring back the JSA and the LoSH. Now it feels like more agendas have been added to the comic and the writers can't decide what they want Doomsday Clock to be.

[NeathBlue]

They’d be better off just having it as an ongoing quarterly issued comic.
No need then to have it all done within 12 issues and plenty of time between issues to get things done in time.

[jetengine]

If that's the case, is it Johns wanting to change what he previously wrote or the editorial side coming back to him after he turned in what he originally wrote and requesting/ telling him he needs to make changes?

The rewrites included Sanctuary references etc.

[Hawkgirl_70]

DC doesn't know if they want Doomsday Clock to end with a partial reboot/full reboot or not.

Is this true? Another potential reboot?

[Lee Stone]

The rewrites included Sanctuary references etc.

Not surprising...

Johns has sorta lost some of his power at DC, and King has has been gaining power.
Johns is further along in his career and King is still rising.
Doomsday Clock is reportedly supposed to bring back JSA and Legion, TPTB don't care for either one of those properties.
Heroes in Crisis could eliminate more characters TPTB doesn't like.
Doomsday Clock is supposed to be the culmination of Rebirth and restore some of the hope that has been lost.
Heroes in Crisis panders to torture porn, which is TPTB's favorite genre.

I really can't imagine which of the two would be asked to rewrite and accommodate the other.

[Johnny]

Where's that thing about rewrites coming from? This is the first time I've heard about it.

[Frontier]

Where's that thing about rewrites coming from? This is the first time I've heard about it.

I've just seen it as another theory for the delays instead of it just being Frank being as slow as he usually is.

[king81992]

Is this true? Another potential reboot?

The endgame of Doomsday Clock was supposed to be Superman getting Dr. Manhattan to restore the ten years of lost time he(?)stole. Somehow this would bring back the JSA and LoSH.If ten years of history are restored there would probably be changes to the timeline.

Two of the characters involved in the Heroes in Crisis storyline are Wally West and Booster Gold. So far HiC is very unpopular and there doesn't really seem to be a good way for resolving that mess. I will not be surprised if DC decides to use time travel as a plot device to resolve that debacle and time travel usually affects continuity.

DC has been criticized for a while about the lack of continuity in the current setting and both events have potential to solve that problem. The real question is if there will be a complete reboot or a partial one and how soon the reboot happens.

[MajorHoy]

. . . So far HiC is very unpopular . . .

Is this a documented FACT or more of a generalization / opinion?

I'm not reading it, but the first few issues of Heroes in Crisis have seemed to generate decent numbers so far based on orders placed by comic book shops with Diamond (according to the Diamond "Top 500 Comic Books" lists).

* December 2018: no issue shipped
* Nov. 2018 = 8th - HEROES IN CRISIS #3 - 83,794 copies
* Oct. 2018 = 6th - HEROES IN CRISIS #2 - 88,547 copies
* Sept. 2018 = 2nd - HEROES IN CRISIS #1 - 140,699 copies

Issue #4 didn't ship until January 2nd (2019), and #5 is due out January 30th.

[Rod G]

At this point one has to wonder if there is even a point or a plan with this series.......

As far as I can tell, there’s no point nor plan.

A lot of teasing, a lot of meandering, but in the end . . . zilch.

[jetengine]

Is this a documented FACT or more of a generalization / opinion?

I'm not reading it, but the first few issues of Heroes in Crisis have seemed to generate decent numbers so far based on orders placed by comic book shops with Diamond (according to the Diamond "Top 500 Comic Books" lists).

* December 2018: no issue shipped
* Nov. 2018 = 8th - HEROES IN CRISIS #3 - 83,794 copies
* Oct. 2018 = 6th - HEROES IN CRISIS #2 - 88,547 copies
* Sept. 2018 = 2nd - HEROES IN CRISIS #1 - 140,699 copies

Issue #4 didn't ship until January 2nd (2019), and #5 is due out January 30th.

Its fact. By its 4th issue Metal was still over 100k. HIC is dropping numbers with each issue, causing angry fans and retailers (who find the issues gathering dust in their $1 bin) and generating bad PR.

[MajorHoy]

Its fact. By its 4th issue Metal was still over 100k. HIC is dropping numbers with each issue, causing angry fans and retailers (who find the issues gathering dust in their $1 bin) and generating bad PR.

Wait a minute . . . we've only had four issues so far!
How many retailers already have them "gathering dust in their $1 bin"?

[Lee Stone]

Is this a documented FACT or more of a generalization / opinion?

I'm not reading it, but the first few issues of Heroes in Crisis have seemed to generate decent numbers so far based on orders placed by comic book shops with Diamond (according to the Diamond "Top 500 Comic Books" lists).

* December 2018: no issue shipped
* Nov. 2018 = 8th - HEROES IN CRISIS #3 - 83,794 copies
* Oct. 2018 = 6th - HEROES IN CRISIS #2 - 88,547 copies
* Sept. 2018 = 2nd - HEROES IN CRISIS #1 - 140,699 copies

Issue #4 didn't ship until January 2nd (2019), and #5 is due out January 30th.

Let's not forget that the first 3 issues are normally ordered before anyone reads the first issue.

And, of course, then you have the collectors that are buying it for Batman and Harlery, and not even reading it before putting it in a plastic slab.

[WonderScott]

I’m not flummoxed by it at all really. Sure, I’d love the issues to come out more quickly, but they’ve all been solid so far and interesting, so I’m okay with the delays.

Whatever happens and how soon it happens with the JSA or Legion, I’ll sort out all the continuity in my head. ::shrugs shoulders:: I rather the story be good, and what it should be, and not rushed just for the sake of getting it out. Obviously, YMMV, but I tend to err with the creatives and the content they’re developing on this point.

[BatmanJones]

As far as I can tell, there’s no point nor plan.

A lot of teasing, a lot of meandering, but in the end . . . zilch.

"In the end?" This thread is about the fact that we're still waiting on the last 4 issues. Are you clairvoyant?