You can still sneak up behind the Flash, clobber him with a vase, and knock him out.
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
You can still sneak up behind the Flash, clobber him with a vase, and knock him out.
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
Buried Alien - THE FASTEST POST ALIVE!
First CBR Appearance (Historical): November, 1996
First CBR Appearance (Modern): April, 2014
Extrapolating modern version accomplishments makes Wally one of the most unstoppable capes ever.
Writers do not write out scenarios based on what a character can possibly do, so the extrapolation doesn't matter in normal comics.
I think this is made most apparent in the opening arc of Morrison's JLA: when he was writing Wally based on Waid Era capability, Wally was the only JLA member to beat his Martian opponent. Handily, at that, with the debut of the infinite mass punch.
Next issue he's beaten and captured, all off screen. Because The Flash needs to lose or be in danger to create drama and tension (in this, as in most cases, for Batman to solve because Batman is the most important/popular so he is the most effective).
Last edited by Dred; 01-21-2019 at 03:01 PM.
At one point in time many top tier characters have insane power displays that make you think they are impossible to beat.
I wouldn't think of it as power for power, I would go by importance to importance to DC. Because if say a girl with blonde pig tails and crazy face paint is more important than the flash, that flash will be taken down by her, even if she has no powers, simple as that.
Eh, for most heroes you have to go back to a different continuity to reach the absurdities that Wally was pulling off on the regular under Morrison and Waid. If another character had the same stupid power level showings The Flash had they'd get just as much play in all those online versus battles and such that Wally's famous for. There's a reason no one talks up Barry similarly in those threads -- it was a very specific era of Flash writing. Even Wally himself doesn't live up to the Waid and Morrison stuff afterwards.
"My name is Wally West. I'm the fastest man alive!"
I'll try being nicer if you try being smarter.
Wally also got clobbered more or less as described during the FINAL NIGHT crossover event in 1996 when he, Nightwing, and Robin (Tim Drake) were helping contain the panic breaking out as the Sun-Eater swallowed the sun. To me, this moment demonstrated how Flashes are still vulnerable to fairly mundane dangers in spite of their super speed.
Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)
Buried Alien - THE FASTEST POST ALIVE!
First CBR Appearance (Historical): November, 1996
First CBR Appearance (Modern): April, 2014
If a writer wants superman to push the moon then he will push the moon, if he wants him to struggle with a bus, then he will struggle with a bus. Same goes for the flash
Nothing beats the writer.
The point of threads like these is talking in the abstract. In the abstract, when the goal is talking about capability rather than trying to write a story, Wally's shown the most absurd capabilities of nearly any modern cape. That's just the truth of it. Saying Wally can "Get beaten by surprise" doesn't mean anything because being surprised is everyone's weakness...because it necessarily assumes they're already surprised. Superman can also be taken and beaten by surprise! As can anyone.
Buried Alien - THE FASTEST POST ALIVE!
First CBR Appearance (Historical): November, 1996
First CBR Appearance (Modern): April, 2014
Superman is consistent shown at max power or above. Flash and others is consistent written under their power level. Any era you can find something ridiculous for Superman to go along with consistent pretty high showings, off the top Nu 52 had him able to bench a planet, Recently he rebuilt the moon by himself, etc. Lets not act like it same thing, The large majority of flash rogue gallery are humans who can be knock out with a punch and flash has ability to move fast enough where most humans can't react. Superman is written as pure power fantasy and writers rarely write him underpowered.
Superman is insanely powerful and consistently gets to show he is insanely powerful. And once it show he can push moon he can't be shown as struggling with a bus because that is stupid,Hence people say lower his power level. Flash is insanely powerful but flash is rarely shown as insanely powerful. Flash is barely shown touching his potential to point that Heatwave guy with gun, Captain Boomerang guy with Boomerangs, Captain Cold guy another guy with guns,etc are among his main villains. People never say lower flash power level because he rarely gets to show his max level. Flash is consistent show being challenge by dudes with guns that should be able to slap million times before it registers.His books are consistently written with those guys as a challenge so despite being insanely powerful that is realm he is expected to operate in .
If you are looking for confirmation that Superman shouldn't have his power levels lowered you are in the wrong place. Even without consistent ridiculous feats they still nerf Flash and speed force recently and they have no problem walking back flash abilities in effort to keep him from being too ridiculous.
Last edited by Killerbee911; 01-22-2019 at 01:36 AM.
One thing people haven't brought up yet is the physical constraint of surrounding civilians. He can't always just go from 0 to lightspeed, hed destroy cities and tear people's limbs off with the vaccuum he leaves behind.
In a neutral environment, it's whole different dynamic, but any question about combat abilities has to take into account environment and contest.
Last edited by Dred; 01-22-2019 at 11:02 AM.