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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    I don’t know should Clark and Bruce have gay love interest? The thing is Diana’s love life generally has been shown to be more into
    Men. Than again Marston did seem to shown some queer sexuality with the Amazons. The issue is why change her sexuality? She only been least hinted to be bi in certain writers run. Dc has changed so much about her and other characters. From Alan Scott to Changing Wally’s race


    Steve was to be Diana’s love interest. It was shown multiple times. We already have issues with how Dc can’t treat Diana or her supporting cast right. Why add a new love interest. Dc keeps changing things but nothing works
    It's not like giving her a female love interest is something they actually have tried with any seriousness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    I don’t know should Clark and Bruce have gay love interest? The thing is Diana’s love life generally has been shown to be more into
    Men. Than again Marston did seem to shown some queer sexuality with the Amazons. The issue is why change her sexuality? She only been least hinted to be bi in certain writers run. Dc has changed so much about her and other characters. From Alan Scott to Changing Wally’s race


    Steve was to be Diana’s love interest. It was shown multiple times. We already have issues with how Dc can’t treat Diana or her supporting cast right. Why add a new love interest. Dc keeps changing things but nothing works
    That would NEVER happen. Sexual fluidity is far more socially acceptable for women than men and straight men generally find it "sexy" for two women to be together if they can join in or at least watch. So it's a safe option to suddenly make Wonder Woman bi, nevermind that it reinforces stereotypes and is a horrible cliche. But DC won't be brave enough to mess with Superman or Batman's sexuality, men guard theirs too closely even when it's fictional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriand'r View Post
    That would NEVER happen. Sexual fluidity is far more socially acceptable for women than men and straight men generally find it "sexy" for two women to be together if they can join in or at least watch. So it's a safe option to suddenly make Wonder Woman bi, nevermind that it reinforces stereotypes and is a horrible cliche. But DC won't be brave enough to monkey with Superman or Batman's sexuality, men guard theirs too closely.
    There is nothing stereotypical or cliche about Diana being bisexual. You're talking as if every or most female characters ever made is depicted as bisexual. The number of LGBT women in comics, let alone wider media, is nowhere near big enough for this argument to work.

    Also, according to GLAAD, gay men actually outnumber gay or bisexual women in media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    There is nothing stereotypical or cliche about Diana being bisexual. You're talking as if every or most female characters ever made is depicted as bisexual. The number of LGBT women in comics, let alone wider media, is nowhere near big enough for this argument to work.

    Also, according to GLAAD, gay men actually outnumber gay or bisexual women in media.
    It's stereotypical because of the idea that because she comes from an island with only women she HAS to be bisexual. Posters have said a version of that in this very thread. It's a cliche because she's a warrior princess and Xena was same sex oriented first.

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    Given that William Moulton Marston lived with two women and fathered children by both of them, a loving relationship between Steve, Diana and Mala would probably be his idea of perfection. And Marston's Wonder Woman was all about promoting his idea of perfection. The only reason he didn't do this was because it wasn't accepted in mainstream society--he couldn't come out and his Wonder Woman couldn't come out.

    These days, it shouldn't be so shocking that people get together in different ways.

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    Here is the thing when the son denies this and the granddaughter what's the point of being that up? We also have the fact that maybe he didn't want that for Diana. Also, this seems more like fanservice than anything and more Xena than anything. Why can Diana just be straight? What does this add to her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    Here is the thing when the son denies this and the granddaughter what's the point of being that up? We also have the fact that maybe he didn't want that for Diana. Also, this seems more like fanservice than anything and more Xena than anything. Why can Diana just be straight? What does this add to her?
    Let me turn it around - what does being straight add to her? Let's not pretend that her being with Steve or any other guy would be any less fanservice. Especially when she's been paired Superman, Batman and even Aquaman in different continuities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Koriand'r View Post
    It's stereotypical because of the idea that because she comes from an island with only women she HAS to be bisexual.
    This is unambiguously, indisputably not a stereotype at all that has ever existed nor does it even fit the definition of a stereotype. Of all the things in the Wonder Woman series that are stereotypes, this is not one of them.

    It's a cliche because she's a warrior princess and Xena was same sex oriented first.
    Diana was an Amazon warrior princess who fought against Ares and Heracles first. Should we get rid of those two just because Xena did them also? Maybe we should change her hair color because Xena has black hair too.

    And how is a warrior princess being bisexual cliche when the vast majority of warrior princesses in fiction are depicted as straight?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiMizuno View Post
    Here is the thing when the son denies this and the granddaughter what's the point of being that up? We also have the fact that maybe he didn't want that for Diana. Also, this seems more like fanservice than anything and more Xena than anything. Why can Diana just be straight? What does this add to her?
    You've turned it around. The starting point of Paradise Island is a world where women have lived together for thousands of years, in loving relationships, where no men exist. Diana grows up in that world and has never seen a man before Steve Trevor. Her natural orientation--what is "straight" in this world--is to love other women. Her interest in Steve is "irregular."

    I wouldn't put labels on it and say she's bisexual just because she becomes obsessed with a man and doesn't follow the ways of her sisters. I find labels push people into trying to be that label. Diana simply is open to loving others. Mala was the woman she loved most on Paradise Island and Steve is the person she loves next. Had he never arrived on the island, Diana would have naturally lived with and loved women and never known otherwise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Kelly View Post
    You've turned it around. The starting point of Paradise Island is a world where women have lived together for thousands of years, in loving relationships, where no men exist. Diana grows up in that world and has never seen a man before Steve Trevor. Her natural orientation--what is "straight" in this world--is to love other women. Her interest in Steve is "irregular."

    I wouldn't put labels on it and say she's bisexual just because she becomes obsessed with a man and doesn't follow the ways of her sisters. I find labels push people into trying to be that label. Diana simply is open to loving others. Mala was the woman she loved most on Paradise Island and Steve is the person she loves next. Had he never arrived on the island, Diana would have naturally lived with and loved women and never known otherwise.
    Sorry but you made that up, it's simply not true. Your surroundings don't dictate your sexual orientation, if it it did gay parents would only have gay children and straight parents would only have straight children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Let me turn it around - what does being straight add to her? Let's not pretend that her being with Steve or any other guy would be any less fanservice. Especially when she's been paired Superman, Batman and even Aquaman in different continuities.



    This is unambiguously, indisputably not a stereotype at all that has ever existed nor does it even fit the definition of a stereotype. Of all the things in the Wonder Woman series that are stereotypes, this is not one of them.



    Diana was an Amazon warrior princess who fought against Ares and Heracles first. Should we get rid of those two just because Xena did them also? Maybe we should change her hair color because Xena has black hair too.

    And how is a warrior princess being bisexual cliche when the vast majority of warrior princesses in fiction are depicted as straight?
    Where? Xena? No. She-Ra? No. Where is this vast majority of straight warrior princesses you are referring to?

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    Korra....oh right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriand'r View Post
    Where? Xena? No. She-Ra? No. Where is this vast majority of straight warrior princesses you are referring to?
    The original She-Ra was straight. Plus, there's Red Sonja, Brienne of Tarth, Lady Sif, Amethyst... actually, the list of "warrior princesses" is small, straight or not.

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    Red Sonja is pansexual now too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    Red Sonja is pansexual now too.
    And Sif isn't a princess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    Red Sonja is pansexual now too.
    Oh, is she? Good. I wish we all were. (Too bad I'm strictly dickly.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Koriand'r View Post
    And Sif isn't a princess
    Xena and She-Ra aren't technically either. In fact, Diana's the only literal warrior princess I can think of.

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