Black Panther nominated for Oscar Best Picture

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

But then it raises the question of what is and isn't tokenism, then. And the problem with that is that all these argument about "merit" and "worthy" rarely, if ever, imagine that something being great while also being focused on something other than whiteness.

It's the affirmative action counterargument all over again; assuming a Black person in leadership got that job because they're Black, but not considering that this Black person is in leadership because they're both the most qualified AND they set an example and provide visibility for capable Black leaders in their wake (and in many cases, the most qualified for a particular job BECAUSE of that experience). On the contrary, let's say Logan or The Dark Knight really were nominated for a major award -- no one would ever say tokenism because no one would accuse them of using race as Oscar bait. So now we question what is the default and what gets labeled as token.

I mean, not that long ago in this very thread, LoTR movies were hailed as unprecedented and historical achievements in filmmaking. And that is a totally fair and accurate assessment. All credit deserved there. But provide that same courtesy to a likewise-unprecedented Black movie of this scale, and now it's tokenism? But it then opens up the door for future, more diverse movies of that scale as well, and that can't be understated.

I think it's a massive stretch to say that the scale of LOTR and Black Panther are anywhere near each other.

[Raiders]

I know it's a joke, and it's really disappointing that Crazy Rich Asians wasn't nominated, but let's not pit minorities against each other, eh? It only furthers the idea that that 1. there's a racial hierarchy, and 2. there's a default that neither Black nor Asian movies should belong to. And it was a tactic used in the 1960s to separate Black and Asian civil rights powers when both groups had banded together to fight for equity and equality.

It’s not a joke and I’m not pitting minority against minority.
CRA imo is better than all the best picture nominees.

[KOSLOX]

And yet the acting, story, visuals etc are better.

I'd argue the acting or story was better. But that be subjective so I wouldn't be stupid and toss around words like "measurably".

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It’s not a joke and I’m not pitting minority against minority.
CRA imo is better than all the best picture nominees.

Thats a fair argument. I don't think Black Panther was the best movie either, I just think all the whining about it, especially in context to movie that it wasn't even competing against, is worthy of ridicule.

At least IW came out this year, that's a discussion that has merit, since people have been tossing that word around.

[Killerbee911]

That is correct. It is however a massive rarity for a film to not get a single nom in any of the major categories. It almost guarantees a loss because you practically can’t win best picture without winning one of the screenplay categories. It’s very hard to conceive of a scenario where the directing, screenplay or acting wasn’t viewed as recognition worthy but the film was for the highest honor. It likely means nearly everyone else disagreed with the directors, writers and actors.

The film was nominated 6 times other time something you apparently keep forgetting. Black Panther got beat out in a couple of big areas it should be in. This isn't some sort big deal only couple areas should Black Panther have gotten a look and they got beaten out . It is only 5 slots category and Black Panther like Bohemian Rhapsody were overall only up for a few. It is not a shock that they did get a screenplay slot or Micheal B Jordan didn't get a best supporting actor spot or Coogler a directing nod but these where areas the film was in good in the major area.

You trying to make a big deal about Black Panther not getting in a major category, Is you basically admitting that Dark Knight wasn't worthy Oscar because Coogler and Micheal B Jordan not getting nods categories is same reason Dark Knight didn't get a nod. They are only 5 slots and sometimes it is hard because they are lots of good competion. I think don't it is probelm saying they are 5 better directed movies than Black Panther but Coogler was in the running for best director, I don't think there is a problem saying they are 5 better supporting acting performance but Micheal B Jordan was in running for supporting actor, I dont think there is a probelm saying they are 5 better screenplay than Black Panther but Black Panther was in running for best screen play. Only you guys on the internet is think being 6 or 7 in this case means something. Black Panther is objectively one of the 10 best films of the year. So is if beale street could talk, So is Cold War.

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The Dark Knight would have got nominated today 100%. Black Panther would not have even got the Oscar buzz TDK got back in 08. People would not even view it as a snub.

Black Panther is getting in because of a combination of 3 things.

1. As a result of TDK, they extended best picture.
2. Ratings for the Oscars are trash and they were so desperate they considered a popular movie category.
3. The Oscars got heavy backlash a few years ago for not having enough diversity.

Because they had the extra space they gave the spot to a one of this years most popular films that had a mostly African American to have more diversity. Basically it checked off boxes and they had the extra space so why not. There were better films that could have took the space but this was probably one of the last spots and it had no chance of winning so it made some sense.

Better movies?

This is some serious revisionism. The movie was hailed when it was released.

Besides, the Oscars so white controversy was years ago, I’m not sure why you keep bringing it up when BP came out years after said controversy. Not to mention that Blackkklansman and Roma have minority led casts, so the “diversity quota” argument isn’t grounded in any reality.

It’s not unusual for a movie to get acclaim and then an Oscar nod. I agree that the TDK opened the field (best picture nomination expansion) but again, that was 10 years ago, and I know this might be difficult for you guys to accept but the TDK didn’t really resonate with everyone the way you guys think it did. More people saw Black Panther in theatres hence its bigger impact.

It’s just that some people don’t want to say it because it’s the cool thing to “hate” on BP. Even before it’s release people were already freaking out and creating Facebook grounds to downvote it on RT....I wonder why?

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Logan came out last year even snagging best screen play nomination. the one category that usually points to the best picture winner. meaning logan on merit was worthy of best picture. Black panther's failure not to get nominated in writing, acting or directing alone proves Logan was on another level of film making greatness. that is the main criteria for Oscars

Into the spiderverse came out this same year as black panther.

They should not retroactively give TDK an award but they should not give black panther too.

TDK is 10 years and we can still rewatch it meaning there is a constant reminder that black panther is just so undeserveding. does this strike good memories? sure does.




we can relive this everyday and start to cringe about cgi bad rhinos getting best picture when all what tdk did was get one acting nomination not even screenplay then the big one that is best picture.

Black Panther was a better movie than Logan hence it’s better reception. Heck, Wonder Woman was better than Logan (not one scene in Logan matched the No Mans Land scene).

In critics and audience reception/ choice awards BP smoked Logan.

Logan got an adapted screenplay nod which was enough for it. Black Panther got a best picture nod and Logan didn’t simply because Black Panther was a better “picture”.

[numberthirty]

Man, it feels like a lot of folks have let themselves forget that Bale's "Batman" voice was something that was widely and openly mocked.

[choptop]

Man, it feels like a lot of folks have let themselves forget that Bale's "Batman" voice was something that was widely and openly mocked.

You can probably find something that was mocked in every movie.

[numberthirty]

You can probably find something that was mocked in every movie.

How many of them have folks trying to put together a case for that they deserved some Oscar nominations?

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Ah yeah, that's baby making music right there...

[choptop]

How many of them have folks trying to put together a case for that they deserved some Oscar nominations?

Probably a lot at Oscar time every year.

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[Jeramas]

Black Panther was a better movie than Logan hence it’s better reception. Heck, Wonder Woman was better than Logan (not one scene in Logan matched the No Mans Land scene).

In critics and audience reception/ choice awards BP smoked Logan.

Logan got an adapted screenplay nod which was enough for it. Black Panther got a best picture nod and Logan didn’t simply because Black Panther was a better “picture”.

Logan is a far greater movie to black panther the only people who ever say black panther is better are a few MCU fans. Logan crushes black panther as an art work. Black Panther is not even as good as Days of Future Past.Days of future past was a film the greatest MCU movie, winter solider couldn't even do better than. so saying black panther is better than Logan is just cringe. try and convince other mcu fans black panther is better than winter solider first.

People wanted to see Logan get a best picture nomination because it deserved it, it was a very Oscar type of film, KNIGHT OF THE LAKE put it best, there are many things oscar valued in films, Logan met that evaluation better. so did TDK,

In critics choice and audience reception, Black Panther is supposed the best reviewed, better than Logan and TDK and yet black panther has never been called the best mcu movie not even from mcu fans. Black Panther isn't even as good as X-Men First Class or superman 2. its another cooperate basic MCU formula movie getting huge recognition for diversity. is it a joke. yes, but the bigger joke is some mcu fans trying to pass the idea black panther is getting it on merit.

when you hail a movie because the entire cast is black? okay.