Black Panther nominated for Oscar Best Picture

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Date Night...


While Batman is sharing switched out new actress Rachel with Two Face Harvey Dent before she got blown to bits Black Panther gets the girl and the kingdom!





Where iz da luv Dark Knight...


Is it okay to live vicariously through a character without it being an eventual funeral for the damsel in distress because I wanna dress up and cosplay with the wife under pure motives!

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Women empowerment...


Yeah, I think we're done here...





They may have edited out a scene where Nakia was screaming like a little girl... No wait that was Catwoman in Dark Knight Rises my bad!


Human traffickers... Mercenary soldiers of fortune... Heart shaped herb enhanced outsiders... Nakia is not a cat she just fights for one!

[Jeramas]

No, that's not my point.

My point is the critical reception. We can't adequately gauge individual taste but we can gauge how well a movie is received. A movie like Elektra wasn't received as well as Wonder Woman (and that's putting it mildly) and we can gauge that, that's my point.

Logan didn't get the acclaim BP did. Now, one can argue that he doesn't agree with that but the facts are the facts.

Black Panther is also more acclaimed than TDK, so is Logan, if this is about rt. those are facts too. in fact TDK acclaim on RT and metacritic is much lower after 10 years. are you trying to convince people black panther is better than Logan because logan is the real marvel movie that was deserving of best picture and not black panther.

The critical reception says Black Panther is the most acclaimed film of 2018. Now not even 2% of the world thinks it is the best film of the year.how much of black panther'S acclaim is about diversity , the media push and the Marvel Disney machine? Black panther's acclaim is below many superhero movies acclaim in content because the acclaim had nothing to do with quality of the film.

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Black Panther did not get more acclaim than Logan or TDK. not really. after all we know most MCU movies have inflated high rt score. ant man is more acclaimed than infinity war , the worst comic film of 2018. If Logan was made by MCU what will the rt score be? 250%.lol I rather put DOFP, since Logan feels smaller and personal. but as I said Black Panther is not even on the same level as DOFP. This scene in DOFP is better than anything in black panther.





If you want to argue a fight scene. The quicksilver time in a bottle scene in DOFP is better than the casino scene. The scene magneto tries to kill mystique is better than the casino scene because not only where they stakes, there was deep conflict between the characters. the casino scene was a standard action moment with little to do with story like Magneto trying to murder mystique. you wanted us to explain what makes better films? there is one good example.

DOFP explored openly not subtlely a world of racism, genocide and many historical political parallels. Malcom X is more likley to be impressed with DOFP than Black Panther. DOFP did many things in a way that makes black panther look like child's play. if you watch black panther you will notice what black panther and killmonger are are a poorly constructed version of professor x and magneto.
Wonder why BP, that happens to be the only MCU movie with a black cast is up for so many awards but winter solider wasn't. The greatest marvel movie from their fans and critics was not.

LOLOLOLOLOL...what do you know about Malcolm X?

Besides, we were talking about Logan and now you are talking about DoFP. Besides, Black Panther is absolutely nothing like Professor X, like, how did you come that? serious question.

[Jeramas]

Women empowerment...



They may have edited out a scene where Nakia was screaming like a little girl... No wait that was Catwoman in Dark Knight Rises my bad!


Human traffickers... Mercenary soldiers of fortune... Heart shaped herb enhanced outsiders... Nakia is not a cat she just fights for one!

The oscars are into more complex women getting nominated.

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Black Panther is also more acclaimed than TDK, so is Logan, if this is about rt. those are facts too. in fact TDK acclaim on RT and metacritic is much lower after 10 years. are you trying to convince people black panther is better than Logan because logan is the real marvel movie that was deserving of best picture and not black panther.

The critical reception says Black Panther is the most acclaimed film of 2018. Now not even 2% of the world thinks it is the best film of the year.how much of black panther'S acclaim is about diversity , the media push and the Marvel Disney machine? Black panther's acclaim is below many superhero movies acclaim in content because the acclaim had nothing to do with quality of the film.

Black Panther got nominated for all the awards this year.

Logan shouldn't even be in the conversation because it was released two years ago. I can understand the comparison between Infinity War or even Blackkklansman but Logan isn't directly competing with BP so saying it should be nominated is pretty irrelevant now.

[Jeramas]

LOLOLOLOLOL...what do you know about Malcolm X?

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Almost Everything.

part of the reason black panther being so basic makes it not even as great as an X-Men movie in content.

when magneto says: a war is coming and I intend to fight it by any means necessary.




who said that line first? Malcom X.

one of the criticisms of black panther apart from the cgi was black panther was a boring character , many mcu fans said he was better in civil war. He was very over showed by killmonger in his own film. what makes DOFP a better movie? professor x and magneto are equals.

Funny that the world thought the oscars were lame for not nominating partrick stweart for Logan. the world thinks black panther has no business getting any oscar nominations apart from costume design.This is a debate on merit and better film making which also include the actors. as you see black panther is getting weaker and weaker when we compare it to other films. if those films never got nominated then why was black panther ...DIVERSITY.... OSCAR SO WHITE....TOKENISM...POLITICAL CORRECTNESS....DISNEY INFLUENCE.

These things don't measure quality.

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Kids don't try this at home...


Batman does not need vibranium Kimoyo beads to stop a fast moving vehicle technically classified as a cargo truck with umpteen horsepower because his cape comes equipped with automatic anti-lock braking system override... Lucius Fox thinks of everything!





Exactly how heavy are his boots because in the one scene where he rescues Rachel from her terminal velocity fall she apparently lands safely with their COMBINED weight yet in this scene where he jumps from a lesser height SOLO it stops a moving vehicle rated with obvious heavy duty tow capacity!


The Physics Department would like to speak to some of you fans in the waiting room please...

All your anti TDK/DC stuff is stupid.

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The film was nominated 6 times other time something you apparently keep forgetting. Black Panther got beat out in a couple of big areas it should be in. This isn't some sort big deal only couple areas should Black Panther have gotten a look and they got beaten out . It is only 5 slots category and Black Panther like Bohemian Rhapsody were overall only up for a few. It is not a shock that they did get a screenplay slot or Micheal B Jordan didn't get a best supporting actor spot or Coogler a directing nod but these where areas the film was in good in the major area.

Black Panther only got nominated for technical awards, which have no impact on best picture.



You trying to make a big deal about Black Panther not getting in a major category, Is you basically admitting that Dark Knight wasn't worthy Oscar because Coogler and Micheal B Jordan not getting nods categories is same reason Dark Knight didn't get a nod. They are only 5 slots and sometimes it is hard because they are lots of good competion. I think don't it is probelm saying they are 5 better directed movies than Black Panther but Coogler was in the running for best director, I don't think there is a problem saying they are 5 better supporting acting performance but Micheal B Jordan was in running for supporting actor, I dont think there is a probelm saying they are 5 better screenplay than Black Panther but Black Panther was in running for best screen play. Only you guys on the internet is think being 6 or 7 in this case means something. Black Panther is objectively one of the 10 best films of the year. So is if beale street could talk, So is Cold War.

Black Panther would not have gotten nominated the year The Dark Knight came out. The Oscars just weren’t going out of their way to get more box office draws because the ratings have been taking. The category wasn’t as expanded. Lastly, they simply just weren’t nominating films that weren’t basically “Oscar films”.

I’m not making a big deal about the awards. Those are the major awards of the Oscars. They tell you what the Academy thinks are best acted, directed and written films.

Also you’re being disingenuous about the limited slots. There are 2 screenplay awards. Best original and Best Adapted. In total 10 screenplays were nominated for awards. Black Panther was not viewed as one of the 10 best screenplays. This is despite being one of the 7 Best Picture films. There were actually more opportunities to get a screenplay nod. There’s four films that got nominated for screenplay across both categories that didn’t get nominated for Best Picture. And this is probably the most egregious case because you almost need to win one of the screenplay to win Best Picture. Black Panther not being nominated here is almost a massive spoiler sign that it won’t win and doesn’t have any real prospects of winning.

There’s also 4 acting categories. Best Actor, Best Actress; Best Supporting Actor, and Best Supporting Actress. That’s 20 spots for BP to get an acting nomination, where it didn’t. 5 films got acting nods that didn’t get beat picture.

Director is the only one where you could maybe call out a lack of opportunities. There’s only 5 spots compared to the 2 extra for Best Pucture. 4 of the 5 are also nominated for best picture. Which means only 3 got left out of that category. Not surprising that 2 of them are also the two that had no screenplay nods.

Basically 4 of the 7 got nominated in all 3 major award categories. Then you got Green Book which had both a screenplay and an acting nod so 2 of the 3 major categories.

Then you have Bohemian Rhapsody and Black Panther. Bohemian Rhapsody has one of the top acting performances of the year by Rami Malek who got a Best Actor nom. So I can even kinda get that they gave it a nom for one huge performance. Only one film got nominated for Best Picture and got shut out of the other major categories.

Then there’s films like “Can You Ever Forgive Me?” and “If Beale Steet Could Talk”. Both of those for a screenplay nomination and an acting nomination. I think it’s a safe bet that two years ago either one of those would get a Best Picture nod over Black Panther or Bohemian Rhapsody. And those are just films with 2 out of 3 major awards. Then you have films like Cold War getting a Best Director, First Reformed getting Best Original Screenplay, The Ballad of Buster Scruggs getting Best Adapted Screen Play, At Eternity’s Gate getting Best Actor, and The Wife getting Best Actress.

So there’s 2 films that got noms in 2 of the three categories and 5 that got nomination in one of the major categories.

And I really have a hard time buying the argument that Black Panther might have just missed out on those categories and was really next in line for most of them. Easily the two best performances in the film were Jordan and then Boswick. Of those two, Jordan was the closest. I personally think he’s more likely to get a nod for his performance Creed 2 than Black Panther. That tbh was probably it’s best shot if one of those two could sneak into either category. Screenplay? Multiple films that didn’t get nominated got a nom over it. Also not for nothing, the screenplay is probably one of the worst aspects of the film. Not that it’s a bad screenplay, but it’s very simplistic 3 act structure film that follows the mold of most Marvel films. There’s quite a few films I could see outpacing it. And that’s probably the most important category. Best Director? There’s films like A Star is Born just in the Best Picture category that most would agree would probably be in line over it. I doubt even Coogler would say this is one of his most deserving Director jobs to get a nomination.

Again I just really don’t see it. It’s good film, but there’s been hundreds of good to great films that didn’t get a nomination.

[Jeramas]

Black Panther would not have gotten nominated the year The Dark Knight came out. The Oscars just weren’t going out of their way to get more box office draws because the ratings have been taking. The category wasn’t as expanded. Lastly, they simply just weren’t nominating films that weren’t basically “Oscar films”.


Again I just really don’t see it. It’s good film, but there’s been hundreds of good to great films that didn’t get a nomination.

What superhero films Fox, Disney, Sony, objectivity speaking do you think would have been more deserving.

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What superhero films Fox, Disney, Sony, objectivity speaking do you think would have been more deserving.

None of them.

[Jeramas]

None of them.

for the low standard black panther has brought the genre down too.

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Black Panther would not have gotten nominated the year The Dark Knight came out. The Oscars just weren’t going out of their way to get more box office draws because the ratings have been taking. The category wasn’t as expanded. Lastly, they simply just weren’t nominating films that weren’t basically “Oscar films”.

I’m not making a big deal about the awards. Those are the major awards of the Oscars. They tell you what the Academy thinks are best acted, directed and written films. [/QUOTE]

You missed point I am just pointing to fact that deserving candidate could miss because of limit slots. The same argument for TDK not getting best pic nood is the same argument for Black Panther not getting "major nomination"

Also you’re being disingenuous about the limited slots.

Again I just really don’t see it. It’s good film, but there’s been hundreds of good to great films that didn’t get a nomination.

No I am not being disingenuous only couple major awards that BP would have been up for director and supporting actor maybe screenplay.Your argument is that BP not get one is sign that BP not means it is not worthy. My argument that BP not getting one is sign they are hating on superhero movies. We have different views

It is fine that you don't see not everyone needs to get it,It fair to have a different opinion. My argument is Black Panther is worthy of the nomination and especially they since extended out the pool best picture of possible candidates. Are some popularity elements at work? Yeah they are using BP popularity to get attention for their show but doesn't mean that Black Panther is "worthy" .My argument is merely Black Panther is one of best films of this year, If you want say it is weak year fine. You want to say only because they extended out pool from 5 candidates. fine. You want to say they sending "a message" with Black Panther nomination.fine. We live in a world where Avatar was nominated for best picture along with 8 candidates in including Inglorious bastards,The Blind Side and Up. Yeah I am fine with Black Panther being nominated

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A story very much is measurable, unless you think that the Holdo twist in Last Jedi was fine writing and not the most hackneyed, lazy obvious 'behind the curtain' of writing mechanics in recent years. Same with acting, if its all immeasurable wheres Tommy Wissaues Oscar ?

Black Panther is a good film ! A great film! It isnt an Oscar winner though. No DC/Marvel movie is frankly. The only 'super hero' film I'd consider would be Birdman but that was so loose on the Superhero and more a metaphor about film itself that I doubt it counts

Birdman was basically a movie about "the industry", Hollywood loves nothing more than themselves so there was no way that wasn't going to get noticed.

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I’m not making a big deal about the awards. Those are the major awards of the Oscars. They tell you what the Academy thinks are best acted, directed and written films.

You missed point I am just pointing to fact that deserving candidate could miss because of limit slots. The same argument for TDK not getting best pic nood is the same argument for Black Panther not getting "major nomination"




No I am not being disingenuous only couple major awards that BP would have been up for director and supporting actor maybe screenplay.Your argument is that BP not get one is sign that BP not means it is not worthy. My argument that BP not getting one is sign they are hating on superhero movies. We have different views

It is fine that you don't see not everyone needs to get it,It fair to have a different opinion. My argument is Black Panther is worthy of the nomination and especially they since extended out the pool best picture of possible candidates. Are some popularity elements at work? Yeah they are using BP popularity to get attention for their show but doesn't mean that Black Panther is "worthy" .My argument is merely Black Panther is one of best films of this year, If you want say it is weak year fine. You want to say only because they extended out pool from 5 candidates. fine. You want to say they sending "a message" with Black Panther nomination.fine. We live in a world where Avatar was nominated for best picture along with 8 candidates in including Inglorious bastards,The Blind Side and Up. Yeah I am fine with Black Panther being nominated[/QUOTE]

Avatar isn’t a good example. It was nominated the year after Thr Dark Knight and was largely viewed as a response to that. It also got similar backlash at the time got being an undeserving make up call. And that had an effect on the films reputation going forward. It’s actually eerily similar to what’s been going on with Black Panther lately