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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    Here are January's numbers from Diamond's Top 500 Comics list using both DC's and Marvel's ladies (at least as best as I can notice).
    I also included the 1st issue of Buffy the Vampire Slayer from Boom:
    2nd - Captain Marvel #1 - 111,391 copies
    49th - Wonder Woman #61 - 36,413 copies
    52nd - Catwoman #7 - 35,490 copies
    54th - Wonder Woman #63 - 34,963 copies
    58th - Wonder Woman #62 - 33,870 copies
    59th - Black Widow #1 - 33,853 copies
    61st - Batgirl #31 - 33,287 copies
    69th - Batgirl #30 - 31,084 copies
    70th - Buffy The Vampire Slayer #1 (Boom) - 31,043 copies
    73rd - Supergirl #26 - 29,499 copies
    77th - Spider-Gwen Ghost Spider #4 - 27,721 copies
    84th - Harley Quinn #57 - 26,407 copies
    86th - X-23 #8 - 25,980 copies
    89th - Naomi #1* - 25,252 copies
    112th - Domino #10 - 19,655 copies
    119th - Mr and Mrs X #7 - 17,864 copies
    123rd - Ironheart #2 - 17,507 copies
    128th - Old Lady Harley #3 - 17,032 copies
    137th - Old Lady Harley #4 - 15,484 copies
    138th - Shuri #4 - 15,445 copies
    146th - Ms. Marvel #37 - 14,250 copies
    169th - Suicide Squad Black Files #3 (Katana) - 11,326 copies
    176th - Raven Daughter of Darkness #11 - 10,504 copies
    183rd - Raven Daughter of Darkness #12 - 10,102 copies
    186th - Pearl #6 - 9,988 copies
    200th - Scarlet #5 - 9,612 copies
    207th - Silencer #12 - 9,231 copies
    213th - Silencer #13 - 8,683 copies
    217th - Hex Wives #3 - 8,286 copies
    218th - Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #40 - 8,257 copies
    221st - Goddess Mode #2 - 8,116 copies
    237th - Hex Wives #4 - 7,157 copies
    250th - Unstoppable Wasp #4 - 6,613 copies
    272nd - Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur #39 - 5,878 copies
    NOTE: Some DC books had an additional issue ship in January since no DC comics were scheduled to ship on the last week in December (and January 2019 had five Wednesdays).

    Again, hopefully I didn't leave any titles from DC or Marvel off of this list that should have been included.
    I don't know if it's because of variant covers or not, but it's nice to see Batgirl up around 30K.

    Seems like the only ladies who can consistently hold good numbers for solo books are Wonder Woman, Catwoman, Batgirl, Supergirl, Harley, X-23, and maybe Spider-Gwen?

    Juries still out on Carol with her latest relaunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I don't know if it's because of variant covers or not, but it's nice to see Batgirl up around 30K.

    Seems like the only ladies who can consistently hold good numbers for solo books are Wonder Woman, Catwoman, Batgirl, Supergirl, Harley, X-23, and maybe Spider-Gwen?

    Juries still out on Carol with her latest relaunch.
    I posted this over in the Marvel Comics section of the Forum which may be worth noting:
    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    By the way, of those January numbers from Diamond, it's sad to note that the only titles from Marvel starring a female lead and with a higher issue number than 12 were:
    Quote Originally Posted by MajorHoy View Post
    . . . January's numbers from Diamond's Top 500 Comics list
    146th - Ms. Marvel #37 - 14,250 copies
    218th - Unbeatable Squirrel Girl #40 - 8,257 copies
    272nd - Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur #39 - 5,878 copies
    None of which are all that impressive ranking-wise nor by the number of copies ordered from Diamond.
    At least DC seems to have more female-lead heroes doing well with issue numbers above #12, but those include females who are the counterparts of popular male characters or have some other connection to those popular male characters. Wonder Woman is the exception to all that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I don't know if it's because of variant covers or not, but it's nice to see Batgirl up around 30K.

    Seems like the only ladies who can consistently hold good numbers for solo books are Wonder Woman, Catwoman, Batgirl, Supergirl, Harley, X-23, and maybe Spider-Gwen?

    Juries still out on Carol with her latest relaunch.
    Batgirl #31 has a variant of Artgerm.

    Variants of Artgerm usually increase the sales of Supergirl (in fact, Supergirl #26 has a variant of Artgerm too). So, it's likely this increase the sales of Batgirl #31 too.


    PS: I remember that the foil covers of Artgerm increase 20K the sales of some comics in October.
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    Sad to see catwoman on the slide - nice book.

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    Out of curiosity, I decided to research the DC women who had the longest solo runs in general for comparison, and it turned out to be these:

    Wonder Woman (1942-1986) - 329 issues

    Wonder Woman (1987-2006) - 226 issues

    Superman's Girl Friend, Lois Lane (1958-1974) - 137 issues

    Catwoman (1993-2001) - 94 issues

    Catwoman (2002-2010) - 83 issues

    Supergirl (1996-2003) - 80 issues

    Wonder Woman (2016-present) - 78 issues

    Batgirl (2000-2006) - 73 issues

    Supergirl (2005-2011) - 67 issues

    Harley Quinn (2016-present) - 65 issues

    Wonder Woman (2006-2011) - 59 issues

    Batgirl (2011-2016) - 52 issues

    Catwoman (2011-2016) - 52 issues

    Wonder Woman (2011-2016) - 52 issues

    Batwoman (2011-2015) - 40 issues

    Supergirl (2011-2015) - 40 issues

    Batgirl (2016-present) - 38 issues

    Harley Quinn (2000-2004) - 38 issues

    Manhunter (2004-2009) - 38 issues

    Supergirl (2016-present) - 33 issues

    Harley Quinn (2013-2016) - 30 issues

    Power Girl (2009-2011) - 27 issues

    Batgirl (2009-2011) - 24 issues

    Supergirl (1982-1984) - 23 issues

    The Huntress (1989-1990) - 19 issues

    Batwoman (2017-2018) - 18 issues

    The Silencer (2018-2019) - 18 issues

    Superwoman (2016-2018) - 18 issues

    Doctor Fate (1991-1992) - 17 issues

    Hawkgirl (2006-2007) - 17 issues

    Sensation Comics Featuring Wonder Woman (2014-2016) - 17 issues

    Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld (1985-1986) - 16 issues

    Zatanna (2010-2011) - 16 issues

    Anima (1994-1995) - 15 issues

    Catwoman (2018-present) - 15 issues

    Scarlett (1993-1994) - 14 issues

    Trinity of Sin: Pandora (2013-2014) - 14 issues

    Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld (1983-1984) - 12 issues

    Black Canary (1993) - 12 issues

    Black Canary (2015-2016) - 12 issues

    Mother Panic (2017) - 12 issues

    Pearl (2018-2019) - 12 issues

    Raven: Daughter of Darkness (2018-2019) - 12 issues

    Shade, The Changing Girl (2016-2017) - 12 issues

    Starfire (2015-2016) - 12 issues

    Thriller (1983-1984) - 12 issues

    Voodoo (2011-2012) - 12 issues

    Katana (2013-2014) - 10 issues

    Supergirl (1972-1974) - 10 issues
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    If I was DC, and I saw Wonder Woman, Batgirl, and Supergirl falling below 50,000 orders, heads would start rolling; it's unacceptable.

    If we look at some more recent numbers, we'll see that Black Cat was leading all female lead books with 80,000+ orders in July, according to Comichron. Vampirella came in at a close second with 70,000+ orders.

    A poster also mentioned that characters like the Invisible Woman didn't seem to be very popular anymore. Well, according to Comichron, Invisible Woman sold 60,000+ issues in July.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Kane View Post
    If I was DC, and I saw Wonder Woman, Batgirl, and Supergirl falling below 50,000 orders, heads would start rolling; it's unacceptable.

    If we look at some more recent numbers, we'll see that Black Cat was leading all female lead books with 80,000+ orders in July, according to Comichron. Vampirella came in at a close second with 70,000+ orders.

    A poster also mentioned that characters like the Invisible Woman didn't seem to be very popular anymore. Well, according to Comichron, Invisible Woman sold 60,000+ issues in July.
    As much as I love the character I'll need to be the first one to point out that Black Cat is bolstered a lot by variant covers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Kane View Post
    If I was DC, and I saw Wonder Woman, Batgirl, and Supergirl falling below 50,000 orders, heads would start rolling; it's unacceptable.

    If we look at some more recent numbers, we'll see that Black Cat was leading all female lead books with 80,000+ orders in July, according to Comichron. Vampirella came in at a close second with 70,000+ orders.

    A poster also mentioned that characters like the Invisible Woman didn't seem to be very popular anymore. Well, according to Comichron, Invisible Woman sold 60,000+ issues in July.
    Not surprised they’ve focused most on the women strongly associated with the Wonder Woman, Batman, and Superman brands, though I’m rather surprised Kate Spencer as Manhunter hasn’t starred in more solo titles. The ball seemed to start rolling with her relatively successful 2004 series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aahz View Post
    But I don't read both series, so have no idea what caused this big decline of Harley's sales numbers.
    While I still read it, a lot of the... for want of a better word, "fun", has been taken out of it since Conner and Palmiotti left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Electricmastro View Post
    Out of curiosity, I decided to research the DC women who had the longest solo runs in general for comparison, and it turned out to be these:

    Wonder Woman (1942-1986) - 329 issues

    Wonder Woman (1987-2006) - 226 issues

    Superman's Girl Friend, Lois Lane (1958-1974) - 137 issues

    Catwoman (1993-2001) - 94 issues

    Catwoman (2002-2010) - 83 issues

    Supergirl (1996-2003) - 80 issues

    Wonder Woman (2016-present) - 78 issues

    Batgirl (2000-2006) - 73 issues

    Supergirl (2005-2011) - 67 issues

    Harley Quinn (2016-present) - 65 issues

    Wonder Woman (2006-2011) - 59 issues

    Wonder Woman (2011-2016) - 52 issues

    Batgirl (2011-2016) - 52 issues

    Batwoman (2011-2015) - 40 issues

    Supergirl (2011-2015) - 40 issues

    Batgirl (2016-present) - 38 issues

    Harley Quinn (2000-2004) - 38 issues

    Manhunter (2004-2009) - 38 issues

    Supergirl (2016-present) - 33 issues

    Harley Quinn (2013-2016) - 30 issues

    Power Girl (2009-2011) - 27 issues

    Batgirl (2009-2011) - 24 issues

    Supergirl (1982-1984) - 23 issues

    The Huntress (1989-1990) - 19 issues

    Batwoman (2017-2018) - 18 issues

    The Silencer (2018-2019) - 18 issues

    Superwoman (2016-2018) - 18 issues

    Doctor Fate (1991-1992) - 17 issues

    Hawkgirl (2006-2007) - 17 issues

    Sensation Comics Featuring Wonder Woman (2014-2016) - 17 issues

    Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld (1985-1986) - 16 issues

    Zatanna (2010-2011) - 16 issues

    Anima (1994-1995) - 15 issues

    Catwoman (2018-present) - 15 issues
    Voodoo also had a comic book solo series in The New 52, but I'm not sure how many issues it lasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySpider View Post
    Voodoo also had a comic book solo series in The New 52, but I'm not sure how many issues it lasted.
    Yeah, her solo series lasted 12 issues (13 if you count issue #0). I suppose I might as well list the ones that lasted from 10-14 issues too.

    Scarlett (1993-1994) - 14 issues

    Trinity of Sin: Pandora (2013-2014) - 14 issues

    Amethyst, Princess of Gemworld (1983-1984) - 12 issues

    Black Canary (1993) - 12 issues

    Black Canary (2015-2016) - 12 issues

    Mother Panic (2017) - 12 issues

    Pearl (2018-2019) - 12 issues

    Raven: Daughter of Darkness (2018-2019) - 12 issues

    Shade, The Changing Girl (2016-2017) - 12 issues

    Starfire (2015-2016) - 12 issues

    Thriller (1983-1984) - 12 issues

    Voodoo (2011-2012) - 12 issues

    Katana (2013-2014) - 10 issues

    Supergirl (1972-1974) - 10 issues

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Kane View Post
    If I was DC, and I saw Wonder Woman, Batgirl, and Supergirl falling below 50,000 orders, heads would start rolling; it's unacceptable.
    Trouble is, Wonder Woman has been well south of 50,000 orders for a long time now, so whose head is gonna roll? Add to that the way that DC and Marvel are sold has for a long time adapted itself to primarily selling to a market of white middle-aged men. To me, it's much more important for titles like Wonder Woman or Batgirl to reach new audiences, outside of the core comic-book reader demographic that the LCSs cater to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Kane View Post
    If I was DC, and I saw Wonder Woman, Batgirl, and Supergirl falling below 50,000 orders, heads would start rolling; it's unacceptable.

    If we look at some more recent numbers, we'll see that Black Cat was leading all female lead books with 80,000+ orders in July, according to Comichron. Vampirella came in at a close second with 70,000+ orders.

    A poster also mentioned that characters like the Invisible Woman didn't seem to be very popular anymore. Well, according to Comichron, Invisible Woman sold 60,000+ issues in July.
    The first couple of issue of a new series are never really representative of what it can sell on the long run. You have usually to wait to roughly issue #6 to see how the book is really doing.

    The current Batgirl and Wonder Woman had iirc similar numbers when they were started.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdventureBliss View Post
    While I still read it, a lot of the... for want of a better word, "fun", has been taken out of it since Conner and Palmiotti left.
    I think this has definitely been a factor, the book has lost it's way since they left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjn View Post
    Trouble is, Wonder Woman has been well south of 50,000 orders for a long time now, so whose head is gonna roll? Add to that the way that DC and Marvel are sold has for a long time adapted itself to primarily selling to a market of white middle-aged men. To me, it's much more important for titles like Wonder Woman or Batgirl to reach new audiences, outside of the core comic-book reader demographic that the LCSs cater to.
    That's probably what they have the DC Zoom and Ink books for (even if they're not called that anymore).

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