X-Men: Dark Phoenix film

[Divine Spark]

Obviously she's OP, that's the whole point, but you were arguing that she didn't fight him when she did indeed attack him.

Attacking isn’t necessarily the same as fighting someone though.

[Theleviathan]

The problem is that everybody already knows how it ends. We had two bad adaptations but they more or less spoiled the whole thing ruining any surprise from the future.

It will be different. When Marvel does this (and they will) they will make the main characters matter. The X-men will be a family whose love for each other will have been established. They'll use those ten films Claremont was on about. When they feel for Jean and they struggle with her struggles we will empathize with her and with them.

It won't matter that people know she sacrifices herself, we'll be too busy having our hearts ripped out by the emotions of it. Something this film was never going to be able to do given the build to this point.

[Personamanx]

Watched it..fun. Jean and Magneto were dynamic. Liked the Storm moments too. Suprised by Nightcrawler during the final fight scene.

Yeah, while I would understand people disliking it for being a bit brutal I feel that they made good use of his abilities in the scenario. The film gave him good enough reason to cut loose.

In general, the train fight was an enjoyable highlight of the movie. It was surprisingly well shot, and composed. Not a random flying horse drawing your attention or anything.

[Divine Spark]

At least it seems to be getting decent reception from the general audience based on what comes up on Twitter search.

[butterflykyss]

Does this mean TAS still has the best Phoenix story adaptation? It certainly seems right from the looks of it.

It most certainly does mean that beloved.

Attacking isn’t necessarily the same as fighting someone though.

It isn't really going to be much of a fight with someone who can disintegrate you by simply looking at you, which is why I think Logan told the xmen to get out of there as she was about to disintegrate the local area, and possibly the city and planet. He could regenerate the others couldnt. So there was definitely a fight between himself and Jean. The other fight I mentioned was when she killed Cyclops. It happening off screen doesnr mean it didnt happen. Lastly, her and Xavier had a telepathic fight when he was trying to place back the mental barriers he placed in her mind that the Phoenix allowed her to break through. This battle eventually lost resulting in his death. This death also resulted in Ororo and Logan being thrown from the house (which was an indirect fight but I wouldnt call this an actual fight). So you initial statement about her not fighting any of the xmen is not correct. At any rate let's agree to disagree dont want to derail this thread by talks of another movie. What is on topic is that this movie is looking to become the worst selling xmen movies ever.

[butterflykyss]

Yeah, while I would understand people disliking it for being a bit brutal I feel that they made good use of his abilities in the scenario. The film gave him good enough reason to cut loose.

In general, the train fight was an enjoyable highlight of the movie. It was surprisingly well shot, and composed. Not a random flying horse drawing your attention or anything.

I didnt mind nightcrawler going ballistic. it made sense in the context of that moment.

[The Thunderbird]

I have a feeling that if Disney does its own Phoenix storyline it could probably be something like Avengers vs X-Men rather than an ordinary Dark Phoenix Saga. Its got enough twists like the Phoenix Five to distinguish itself from the Fox movies hopefully and serves as a convenient excuse to put the X-Men against other surviving MCU heroes.

[butterflykyss]

I have a feeling that if Disney does its own Phoenix storyline it could probably be something like Avengers vs X-Men rather than an ordinary Dark Phoenix Saga. Its got enough twists like the Phoenix Five to distinguish itself from the Fox movies hopefully and serves as a convenient excuse to put the X-Men against other surviving MCU heroes.

this would work but after this movie I'm kinda over the Phoenix in general. no more Phoenix please.

[Divine Spark]

Can we all at least appreciate that the X-Men is finally working as a team.

[Snoop Dogg]

Just got out of the theater.

Amazing cinematography, genius direction, a tsunami of beautiful shots, a juicy script, badass lines, iconic set pieces, perfect acting, likeable characters, fun twists, stunning effects, brilliant sound design, and an absolutely killer soundtrack. 100% kino.

Yes, Godzilla truly has defeated the Phoenix. He is the Hellfire Club's Ultimate Black God. The X-Men fight vaccines, the Big G eats nukes like chips. Even the savior of the mutants, Jonathan Hickman, bows to Gojira.

Hail to the King, baby.

[Divine Spark]

It isn't really going to be much of a fight with someone who can disintegrate you by simply looking at you, which is why I think Logan told the xmen to get out of there as she was about to disintegrate the local area, and possibly the city and planet. He could regenerate the others couldnt. So there was definitely a fight between himself and Jean.

Jean knocked Logan out earlier in the movie, so she could have easily taken him out if she wanted. Logan used her love for him to his advantage.

The other fight I mentioned was when she killed Cyclops. It happening off screen doesnr mean it didnt happen.

That argument is considered a fallacy.

Besides, Jean had turned off his powers. What was he going to do to her?

Lastly, her and Xavier had a telepathic fight when he was trying to place back the mental barriers he placed in her mind that the Phoenix allowed her to break through. This battle eventually lost resulting in his death.

There really wasn’t any psychic battle. Xavier couldn’t get into her head. Its mentioned in the scene.

This death also resulted in Ororo and Logan being thrown from the house (which was an indirect fight but I wouldnt call this an actual fight).

That didn’t happen.

spoilers:

So you initial statement about her not fighting any of the xmen is not correct. At any rate let's agree to disagree dont want to derail this thread by talks of another movie. What is on topic is that this movie is looking to become the worst selling xmen movies ever.

end of spoilers

We were talking about which film gave the Dark Phoenix storyline more disservice. So it’s very much on topic.

[CRaymond]

Say what you will about Kinberg, but my man read Excalibur!

Vuk gets Necrom’d!

[Konja7]

It will be different. When Marvel does this (and they will) they will make the main characters matter. The X-men will be a family whose love for each other will have been established. They'll use those ten films Claremont was on about. When they feel for Jean and they struggle with her struggles we will empathize with her and with them.

It won't matter that people know she sacrifices herself, we'll be too busy having our hearts ripped out by the emotions of it. Something this film was never going to be able to do given the build to this point.

In fact, if MCU makes it own version of Phoenix saga, we couldn't be sure Jean will sacrifice herself until it happens.

We should not forget that MCU has also taken quite a lot of liberties with the stories and characters and how these develop.

MCU X-Men movies will never be the pages of the comic adapted with total fidelity.

[U.N. Owen]

Just got out of the theater.

Amazing cinematography, genius direction, a tsunami of beautiful shots, a juicy script, badass lines, iconic set pieces, perfect acting, likeable characters, fun twists, stunning effects, brilliant sound design, and an absolutely killer soundtrack. 100% kino.

Yes, Godzilla truly has defeated the Phoenix. He is the Hellfire Club's Ultimate Black God. The X-Men fight vaccines, the Big G eats nukes like chips. Even the savior of the mutants, Jonathan Hickman, bows to Gojira.

Hail to the King, baby.

Sadly, I felt Rodan had more characterization than the Phoenix Force in this movie and that bird was a background character.

[MechaJeanix]

Sadly, I felt Rodan had more characterization than the Phoenix Force in this movie and that bird was a background character.

In this movie the phoenix force was just that, a force. It was not something more than that. I liked that part. I don't like the Phoenix force being its own character (but I know it has become that in the comics). I liked this story was the way the Phoenix was originally meant to be.. a story about Jean Grey.