Just came back from seeing it a second. For some strange reason, it doesn’t feel nearly as rushed but I still feel that they could have developed the story better. Jumps from a 5/10 to 6/10.
Also, I noticed that Jean’s monologue in the beginning is almost EXACTLY the same as Xavier’s in DOFP.
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06-20-2019, 12:37 PM #2506Extraordinary Member
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06-20-2019, 12:40 PM #2507Fire and life incarnate!
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I really don't think the MCU will use Jean or the Phoenix.
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06-20-2019, 01:02 PM #2508Astonishing Member
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Jean will most likely appear in the MCU. As for the phoenix, it will probably still be used. I can see Marvel ignoring the Dark Phoenix saga but instead using it to create tension for an AvX film. Instead of Hope, Jean. Originally Posted by phoenixzero23
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Well, that's disappointing. I guess they were trying to come full circle the best they could."This is starting to sound like a bad comic book plot"
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06-20-2019, 01:09 PM #2509Mighty Member
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Not sure if Phoenix will be the trigger for AVX
It could be something else.
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06-20-2019, 01:17 PM #2510BANNED
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If it's as hackneyed and railroaded as the AvX comics they could use ANY excuse to force the event along its rails. Originally Posted by Maestro 216
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06-20-2019, 01:21 PM #2511Fire and life incarnate!
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That would be an improvement over the original story and a cool way to use Jean. Originally Posted by TheDeadSpace
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06-20-2019, 01:31 PM #2512Extraordinary Member
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Yeah, she asked “can we evolve fast to change ourselves and change our fate?”. Seems like the idea of the movie is that with the help of Xavier Jean was able to evolve and avoid the fate she had in the original timeline(hence the X3 parallels). Originally Posted by TheDeadSpace
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The idea is that Jean is able to control power instead of letting it control her like in the original timeline. Originally Posted by Theleviathan
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06-21-2019, 02:36 AM #2514Invincible Member
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06-21-2019, 02:48 AM #2515Astonishing Member
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Incredible self control there from all of them there, not punching Corden once.
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More observations:
1- Jean/Phoenix did NOT kill any cop/policeman... indeed, TV stated that.
In truth, Jean/Phoenix did not kill anyone outside the X-Men and did not destroy any major structure or building. The MCU train doesn't count.
2- Xavier knew about the Endeavour Shuttle before it would even happen. In fact, he was arguing about the X-Jet with Beast long time before the President of the USA would call him. How? Well, Xavier has still access to the memories he absorbed from Old Timeline Wolverine in 1973.
I'm surprised that nobody has noticed this.
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06-21-2019, 07:18 AM #2517BANNED
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Why would the train not count? Because she was being heroic at the time?
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Cuz it doesn't fit his narrative. Originally Posted by PetPigeon
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06-21-2019, 08:19 AM #2519Extraordinary Member
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Originally Posted by PetPigeon
Because no one actually died except evil aliens. Originally Posted by Theleviathan
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06-21-2019, 08:47 AM #2520Fantastic Member
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Jean killing aliens was not her being "able to evolve and avoid the fate she had in the original timeline." If killing those that stand in her opposition is an example of Jean using the Force to do good, what is like when she uses it do evil? (she started the movie killing those that opposed her, and ended it the same way. A neutral stance. Not a sacrifice, not a choice imo.)
I'm confused. I think the movie wants me to think Jean's destiny was to be consumed by her thirst for power, and that she overcame it in the end. When for all I know, she was consumed by the force, because she killed a bunch of folks and flew away?
In the end the movie did not make a statement enough for conclusions to be made, and no one will probably ever be able agree about what the point it was making was. (Because the lines of good and evil were not clearly defined and Jean doesnt tell us what she's thinking most of the time, she's just confused. )
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