The Batman

[choptop]

If a movie is a feel bad affair, what's the point? This is escapism, people don't generally want to escape into misery.

What you only watch happy feel good movies?

[The True Detective]

If a movie is a feel bad affair, what's the point? This is escapism, people don't generally want to escape into misery.

Define misery? Not being a typical bright and cheery movie isn't the same as being a miserable one. Joker and maybe Logan are the closest any comic book movies have ever gotten to being depressing and even then as Vakanai said they're nothing compared to truly depressing movies.

The Dark Knight, The Dark Knight Rises and Joker all made over $1b despite claims they were too dark. Logan made $619m, like Joker it was on the grimmer side and R rated both still made on par or more than the much lighter also R rated Deadpool movies. People enjoy good movies regardless of the tone.

Why do people like gory horror movies? Being scared isn't a pleasurable experience but to each their own, the people going to see horror movies love getting scared. Same with violent sports like MMA and boxing, some may see them as barbaric and hard to watch while others can't get enough. Everyone's got different taste. Plus everyone's got different definitions for things, what's depressing to you might not be to someone else.

Batman may be a character marketed towards kids but his movies aren't really marketed to them, only the merchandise is. There aren't exactly a lot of commercials for The Batman on Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network. Spider-Man is seen as the ultimate kid hero and even his movies aren't really for them. He said holy **** during the airport battle in Civil War and aunt May has said **** in one of the MCU Spider-Man movies. True kids characters like Mickey Mouse or Spiongebob would never say either of those.

Being created as kids characters and having toys aimed at them doesn't mean these characters can never do anything adult or not kid friendly.

[Scott Taylor]

What you only watch happy feel good movies?

I wish I could say that. I watch movies. If they make me feel good then I tend to like them more than the ones that don't.

[choptop]

I wish I could say that. I watch movies. If they make me feel good then I tend to like them more than the ones that don't.

I like movies like clockwork orange and casino but I can't say they make me feel good they are just eintrnaning.

[Scott Taylor]

I like movies like clockwork orange and casino but I can't say they make me feel good they are just eintrnaning.

Haven't seen either of those. But I think there are similar movies I like, thats the feel good part, liking it.

[inisideguy]

Sort of an odd discussion. I mean many tv shows and movies are not feel good and people love them. Heck walking dead and Game of Thrones are just two that pop in my head but there are literally hundreds. I don't think anyone watched The Godfather or Platoon to feel good.

[Scott Taylor]

Sort of an odd discussion. I mean many tv shows and movies are not feel good and people love them. Heck walking dead and Game of Thrones are just two that pop in my head but there are literally hundreds. I don't think anyone watched The Godfather or Platoon to feel good.

Yah, true about a movie like Platoon. Though I would argue that its depiction of war had a good purpose in that it would wake a person to the realities of war. In that sense, it is a feel good movie because it would strengthen pacifist resolve. There are hundreds of movies whose subject matter are thought-provoking, and it feels good to think (I think).

[Amadeus Arkham]

Batman may be a character marketed towards kids but his movies aren't really marketed to them, only the merchandise is. There aren't exactly a lot of commercials for The Batman on Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network. Spider-Man is seen as the ultimate kid hero and even his movies aren't really for them. He said holy **** during the airport battle in Civil War and aunt May has said **** in one of the MCU Spider-Man movies. True kids characters like Mickey Mouse or Spiongebob would never say either of those.

Being created as kids characters and having toys aimed at them doesn't mean these characters can never do anything adult or not kid friendly.

The full F word is never heard in any of the Spider-Man movies, nor is it heard in any of the other MCU movies. The May scene you cite doesn’t have a complete utterance of the word as it cuts to credits. She only says, “What the fu—!” before the sudden cut to credits. Even with all the profanity, I think it’s fair to say Spider-Man is a more family friendly character compared to Batman.

[Amadeus Arkham]

Last time a Batman movie was marketed to kids was 1997

Actually the last time was in 2017:

[choptop]

Actually the last time was in 2017:

I meant Last live action batman of course.

[Amadeus Arkham]

I meant Last live action batman of course.

Why limit to just live action? Animation is every bit as legit a medium as live action is, and this is just as much a Bat-film as any of the other ones are. It doesn’t matter if it’s animation. It should still count.

[Amadeus Arkham]

I think Catwoman is what I’m most excited about in this movie.

I’m sure I’ll like the movie overall, but every trailer apart from the first one has just made it seem very similar to the Nolan films except with a more interesting looking Gotham.

Another problem for me is the use of (as Frontier said above) another anarchist villain that is super realistic and, physically not a match for Batman. I get that it’s probably focussing on the detective/intelligence side of Bruce, but can’t they ever marry that up with an actual physical threat (Bane was good in TDKR til the Talia twist imo)

Clearly there’s a horror/thriller influence, with Seven maybe being the most obvious influence, but I really wish a director was brave enough to do this kind of movie with more out there characters like Clayface or Solomon Grundy. Batman is easily the IP DC can take real risks with, I just don’t understand why it always has to be so grounded in reality and ignore the high concept sci fi and fantasy elements. Like, imo, a Batman movie with Clayface as the villain could be a pure body horror movie that plays up his strengths as a detective.

I dunno, I’m sure I’ll like this movie, I just hope there’s room in sequels for something newer for the character.

I like this idea a lot.

[The True Detective]

The full F word is never heard in any of the Spider-Man movies, nor is it heard in any of the other MCU movies. The May scene you cite doesn’t have a complete utterance of the word as it cuts to credits. She only says, “What the fu—!” before the sudden cut to credits. Even with all the profanity, I think it’s fair to say Spider-Man is a more family friendly character compared to Batman.

You're right, I forgot she didn't actually say **** but Peter still said holy **** when he saw Ant-Man turn giant in Civil War. How many times can you recall other "kids" characters using language like that? Superheroes, in movies especially, imo are like The Simpsons more of an adult leaning but still mostly family friendly IP that isn't outright for kids but isn't totally inappropriate for them either like Family Guy or South Park are.

And I don't think anyone is saying animation is any less of a valid medium than live action but it's pretty clear the others meant live action specifically when talking about Batman not being marketed to kids. Why else would they use 1997 aka the year Batman & Robin came out if they didn't mean live action movies in particular?

[Amadeus Arkham]

And I don't think anyone is saying animation is any less of a valid medium than live action but it's pretty clear the others meant live action specifically when talking about Batman not being marketed to kids. Why else would they use 1997 aka the year Batman & Robin came out if they didn't mean live action movies in particular?

Animation doesn’t always mean for kids though, you know this. There’s already tons of animated Batman movies that aren’t kid-friendly, or even for kids at all. There’s been R-rated animated Batman movies; most recently with that Long Halloween movie that was released last year and if you just mean theatrically, then Mask Of Phantasm, which was released in theaters, wasn’t really a kids movie as that was pretty violent. So it wasn’t really clear. His statement about Batman movies were more general which naturally led me to assume he’s referring to any of the moves I regardless of their medium. But, even if he specifically meant live action, I don’t think we should limit the movies referenced to just live action because even if you don’t mean it that way, excluding the animated ones when mentioning the movies does imply you don’t necessarily consider the animated movies as legit as the live action movies. Again, why limit to just live-action?

[thwhtGuardian]

Animation doesn’t always mean for kids though, you know this. There’s already tons of animated Batman movies that aren’t kid-friendly, or even for kids at all. There’s been R-rated animated Batman movies; most recently with that Long Halloween movie that was released last year and if you just mean theatrically, then Mask Of Phantasm, which was released in theaters, wasn’t really a kids movie as that was pretty violent. So it wasn’t really clear. His statement about Batman movies were more general which naturally led me to assume he’s referring to any of the moves I regardless of their medium. But, even if he specifically meant live action, I don’t think we should limit the movies referenced to just live action because even if you don’t mean it that way, excluding the animated ones when mentioning the movies does imply you don’t necessarily consider the animated movies as legit as the live action movies. Again, why limit to just live-action?

Mask of the Phantasm was PG ... so nothing too scary or overly violent there. Long Halloween was PG-13, and so were Red Hood, Year One, Dark Knight Returns and Hush.

The only R rated Batman film, animated or otherwise, was The Killing Joke...and it didn't do well critically and commercially it was only middle of the road in comparison to the other animated Batman features,