DC Africana Appreciation

[lemonpeace]

Yeah, Tyroc is much closer, thematically, to Black Panther, than Batwing. More about his role as super-powered protector of Marzal would be interesting to read about, actually.

Marzal is sorely in need of updating and development, to come anywhere close to being 'DC's Wakanda.'

It's crazy to me that when DC last used Tyroc they never even touched Marzal. I'd imagine if they brought him back now, given the massive cultural renaissance of Black Panther last year, they'd try to bring it closer inline with Wakanda. Well, that would be the smart thing to do buuuuut, even if they somehow remembered Tyroc and Marzal's history, DC has a tendency to zig when they should zag so I doubt it.

[lemonpeace]

I bet Tyroc isn't as sexy as T'Chadwick

Wrong again



no one is sexier than Tyroc

[Falcon16]

He looks like a less sexier 80s Cyborg. T'Chadwick has that accent.

[lemonpeace]

He looks like a less sexier 80s Cyborg. T'Chadwick has that accent.

I was being sarcastic, and poking fun at his ridiculous debut uniform, the relative "sexiness" of these characters are of little to no importance. Also, it's a silent medium, you can't really compare the "sexiness" of their accents...

[Anthony Shaw]

Here's the scene from Sins of Youth Secret Files.
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[Anthony Shaw]

I love the idea of Tyroc, he's really the closest thing DC has to Black Panther and I don't think they noticed or intended for that to be the case. If there were any character I would want to get a crack at if I worked at DC, it would 1000% be Tyroc.

It is amazing how DC was able to resurrect Tyroc from his rather cringe-worthy origins.

Tyroc is a great example of no bad characters, just bad writing of characters.

[Anthony Shaw]

Going from my experience, it seems to me John Stewart is easily the most popular black superhero at DC, and he has the most passionate fanbase, by far. Thing is, he's also one of the more disliked as well, because he contends with other versions of Green Lantern. Thus, people who probably really don't have much of an interest in any of these characters will vote against him on those grounds alone, though that doesn't mean they're especially passionate for whoever else they vote for.

If John Stewart was a real life pro-wrestler, the crowd would never be silent.

He would draw cheers & boos.

[Anthony Shaw]

Wrong again



no one is sexier than Tyroc

Tyroc was based on Fred "The Hammer" Williamson, per Mike Grell.

[Sutekh]

It's crazy to me that when DC last used Tyroc they never even touched Marzal. I'd imagine if they brought him back now, given the massive cultural renaissance of Black Panther last year, they'd try to bring it closer inline with Wakanda. Well, that would be the smart thing to do buuuuut, even if they somehow remembered Tyroc and Marzal's history, DC has a tendency to zig when they should zag so I doubt it.

In his last appearance, Marzal was referred to in a text box as 'Tyroc's homeworld' which could mean that they were just short-handing it (since everybody else had an actual 'homeworld' to put in that one-size-fits-all box descriptor), or that they were looking to update the backstory and have Marzal be like Braal or Titan or Winath, an entire colony world out there, somewhere, rather than a hidden extradimensional island on Earth (more like a mashup of Themiscrya and Bgtzl?).

I prefer the hidden extradimensional land option, if only because of how different it was from the dozen Legionnaires from human-settled worlds like Cargg or Imsk or Xanthu or Naltor or Orando, etc., etc., although I can certainly see where the whole 'fled there to escape slavery' angle would seem cringe-worthy if not handled well...

[lemonpeace]

In his last appearance, Marzal was referred to in a text box as 'Tyroc's homeworld' which could mean that they were just short-handing it (since everybody else had an actual 'homeworld' to put in that one-size-fits-all box descriptor), or that they were looking to update the backstory and have Marzal be like Braal or Titan or Winath, an entire colony world out there, somewhere, rather than a hidden extradimensional island on Earth (more like a mashup of Themiscrya and Bgtzl?).

I prefer the hidden extradimensional land option, if only because of how different it was from the dozen Legionnaires from human-settled worlds like Cargg or Imsk or Xanthu or Naltor or Orando, etc., etc., although I can certainly see where the whole 'fled there to escape slavery' angle would seem cringe-worthy if not handled well...

If they were planning on neutering the character like that, I think I'd prefer they just left him in limbo indefinitely to be honest. I prefer Marzal's original origin, slave revolt leads them to an interdimensional hoping island and they build an advanced civilization in isolation. That's such a unique take and it plays to an interesting sorta meta-wishfullfilment interpretation on the African Disapora in a way.

[lemonpeace]

I know they dln't work for DC right now but can we appreciate Javier Garron and Ron Ackins' work on Miles Morales: Spider-Man? Garron' s ability to draw well composed, distinct black character designs, Ackins' styling and natural mannerisms is phenomenal, and Javier consistently brings that same energy. I would love to see either of them take a crack at a few of DC's characters. My top picks of characters I would want Ackins' or Garron's take on (maybe even have him redesign them) if I could would be John Stewart and/or Cyborg for Ackins, and Duke Thomas and/or Black Lightning for Garrón.

[Agent Z]

If they were planning on neutering the character like that, I think I'd prefer they just left him in limbo indefinitely to be honest. I prefer Marzal's original origin, slave revolt leads them to an interdimensional hoping island and they build an advanced civilization in isolation. That's such a unique take and it plays to an interesting sorta meta-wishfullfilment interpretation on the African Disapora in a way.

That sounds good on paper but I don't trust DC to pull it off well.

[lemonpeace]

That sounds good on paper but I don't trust DC to pull it off well.

It's not like the pieces aren't there, the story already exist all they gotta do is look at how Wakanda's been handled and not fuck it up. I think there are plenty of writers on the market today and some at DC who can pull it off, the issue is the leadership. They don't even need to delve too deep into how it came to be, just say it's an advanced island off the coast of Africa that fades in and out of the dimension. They can save the origin for down the line, just so long as they don't neuter it by making it yet another random planet. At least until there are people in charge who won't want creative to water it all down or put people on it who don't care .

[lemonpeace]

I've been on a bit of a Milestone kick lately, so I'm curious who is your favorite Milestone character, title, and/or storyline? Me, besides Static (the obvious choice), I've always loved Hardware and Wise Son.

[Falcon16]

why isn't Black Vulcan on the poll? BV forever my boyos