Uncanny X-Men #11 (SPOILERS/DISCUSSION)

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

Gloom and doom at its gloomiest and doomiest. This makes past extinction stories like a freakin' joke. Loved it.

A few thoughts:

1. Is this even how Blindfold's powers work? Just... what?
2. There is no freakin' way this happens in the same universe as X-Force, lol.
3. There is no freakin' way Emma is still King of anything, lol.
4. The "My herooooo, %#S& it, he ain't alone" scene was efffin' perfect.
5. Welcome back, Logan. It's been too long, a-hole.

[LordUltimus]

Then have Carol do it. She's so popular that they gave her the Statue of Liberty and made a TV show about her.

That would require having Marvel remember that she's supposed to be friends with the X-Men.

[Crimz]

That would require having Marvel remember that the X-Men have friends.

Fixed that for you.

[spirit2011]

Doesn't help that the books are pretty much the opposite in thematic, Aaron is basically going for the "Isn't this cool, BP is the leader now and there is war with vampires and freaking Blade is involved!", while Rosenberg is all "You poor thing, what the world has done to you!" (i think that is issue pretty much spell out that neither Logan or Scott is expecting to get out this alive).

Yeah, there is a complete different tones going on between avengers and x-men books. better each on estick ot their own problems

[Cyke]

Okay, I loved Ben Urich and the shoutout to Phil Sheldon. Also, seeing Scott wear his Morrison-era coat over his Astonishing-era costume was neat.

[Maestroneto]

I'm glad the X-Men aren't similar to the Avengers or have a happy go lucky tone.

[AJpyro]

Gloom and doom at its gloomiest and doomiest. This makes past extinction stories like a freakin' joke. Loved it.

A few thoughts:

1. Is this even how Blindfold's powers work? Just... what?
2. There is no freakin' way this happens in the same universe as X-Force, lol.
3. There is no freakin' way Emma is still King of anything, lol.
4. The "My herooooo, %#S& it, he ain't alone" scene was efffin' perfect.
5. Welcome back, Logan. It's been too long, a-hole.

I choose to believe Emma iss making the world believe she doesnt exist and is sheltering mutants.

[Gortam]

This issue was flawless. Perfect.

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

I choose to believe Emma iss making the world believe she doesnt exist and is sheltering mutants.

Not saying she's not doing anything. Just... she's not doing anything that's noticeable/consequential.

Edit: I should've added this:
6. Not that I'm complaining, but that was NOT the Cyclops from the Annual, lol.

[Tycon]

This issue was flawless. Perfect.

a good laugh

[JamJams]

I really really really liked the coloring n a few of the pages. Like the one where Cyclops was on the roof shooting the bottles. It was a very interesting contrast of black and red.

The story however is terrible. As Cyclops said "Every X-Men story is the same" and sadly that's been true since at least Decimation.

I enjoyed the previous issue where Cyclops had his realization that maybe he was too polarizing and maybbe he was too quick to resort to violence to solve the mutant problem and he was going to try to do better. Then by the end of this issue him and Wolverine are standing in a literal pile of corpses.

The writers of the X-Men have had the same problem over and over again for nearly two decades now. They want to write mutants as an endangered species, which means they need to swiftly inflate mutant numbers just so they can drastically reduce them in a violent fashion. Then the X-Men are 'forced' to respond to the near extinction of their kind by doing 'whatever it takes' to keep them safe aka "standing their ground".

But they seem to be missing the point of the X-Men. They are a superhero team, they're supposed to be better than the people they fight against. Using the new comic as an example Cyclops and Wolverine did NOT need to kill all of those people. They are perfectly capable of incapacitating them. By not doing so not only is it going against Cyclops' revelation in tthe last comic, thus making that comic a waste of time, it is continuing the reduction of the X-Men from a superhero team to a team that's as bad as the people they fight. As a comic book the natural narrative SHOULD be that after Cyclops and Wolverine trounce them there should be some kind of inward reflection by those hate groups where they realize that the X-Men showing them mercy makes them question all of the hate docrine they've been given and maybe being a bigot is wrong. What we have instead is stories where the Purifiers, Reapers and other bigots have a moral ground to stand on when they can go find a pile of corpses left behind by Cyclops and say 'see this is why all mutants need to be destroyed look at what these guys did.' And the cycle of hate continues.

Writing wise it's obnoxious that we have to constantly go on these circles where a writer wants to artificially inflate the mutant numbers, kill off the inflated number along with X-Men they consider unimportant in order to prop up the few X-Men they are interested in. I always feel terrible when these new story lines come out because it's just another round of "OK which X-fans are going to be disappointed that they just killed off their favorite character for shock value." This time it was Loa, Blindfold and Velocidad fans. Then after the writer finishes their shock-death openers they retread the same story where the propped up X-Men have to make 'the hard choices'. Even though murdering someone who did you wrong isn't a hard choice, that's the easy one, that's literally been a theme of comics for over 50 years.

If they want to write comics like this then they should think about writing a Punisher, Suicide Squad or an X-Force book where force meeting force is the theme of those comics. An X-Men team of morally compromised people is not a superhero team book and it's not the kind of book that made the X-Men popular to begin with.

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

This issue was flawless. Perfect.

Loved it, but I can't help but feel the Blindfold story should've been told first.

[Indigo_Lady]

The story however is terrible. As Cyclops said "Every X-Men story is the same" and sadly that's been true since at least Decimation.

I enjoyed the previous issue where Cyclops had his realization that maybe he was too polarizing and maybbe he was too quick to resort to violence to solve the mutant problem and he was going to try to do better. Then by the end of this issue him and Wolverine are standing in a literal pile of corpses.

The writers of the X-Men have had the same problem over and over again for nearly two decades now. They want to write mutants as an endangered species, which means they need to swiftly inflate mutant numbers just so they can drastically reduce them in a violent fashion. Then the X-Men are 'forced' to respond to the near extinction of their kind by doing 'whatever it takes' to keep them safe aka "standing their ground".

But they seem to be missing the point of the X-Men. They are a superhero team, they're supposed to be better than the people they fight against. Using the new comic as an example Cyclops and Wolverine did NOT need to kill all of those people. They are perfectly capable of incapacitating them. By not doing so not only is it going against Cyclops' revelation in tthe last comic, tthus making that comic a waste of time, it is continuing the reduction of the X-Men from a superhero team to a team that's as bad as the people they fight. I universe Purifiers, Reapers and other bigots have a moral ground to stand on when they can go find a pile of corpses left behind by Cyclops and say 'see this is why all mutants need to be destroyed look at what these guys did.' And the cycle of hate continues.

Writing wise it's obnoxious that we have to constantly go on these circles where a writer wants to artificially inflate the mutant numbers, kill off the inflated number along with X-Men they consider unimportant in order to prop up the few X-Men they are interested in. I always feel terrible when these new story lines come out because it's just another round of "OK which X-fans are going to be disappointed that they just killed off their favorite character for shock value." This time it was Loa, Blindfold and Velocidad fans. Then after the writer finishes their shock-death openers they retread the same story where the propped up X-Men have to make 'the hard choices'. Even though murdering someone who did you wrong isn't a hard choice, that's the easy one, that's literally been a theme of comics for over 50 years.

If they want to write comics like this then they should think about writing a Punisher, Suicide Squad or an X-Force book where force meeting force is the theme of those comics. An X-Men team of morally compromised people is not a superhero team book and it's not the kind of book that made the X-Men popular to begin with.

Bravo! I couldn't have said it better myself. This is the problem I have had with many of the X-Men books for over a decade. When they do such reprehensible things (at least I consider them reprehensible) how am I supposed to root for them or call them heroes?

[Dante Milton]

Loved it, but I can't help but feel the Blindfold story should've been told first.

The Blindfold story should never have been told at all, or at least have had a different outcome. I don't understand how anybody can think that showing a girl whose superpower is to see the future decide that the best thing to do is kill herself is supposed to be in any way helpful to people who are suffering from depression. I'm fine with the X-Men going through difficult times and facing adversity, but this book was straight up misery porn.

[Crimz]

I really really really liked the coloring n a few of the pages. Like the one where Cyclops was on the roof shooting the bottles. It was a very interesting contrast of black and red.

The story however is terrible. As Cyclops said "Every X-Men story is the same" and sadly that's been true since at least Decimation.

I enjoyed the previous issue where Cyclops had his realization that maybe he was too polarizing and maybbe he was too quick to resort to violence to solve the mutant problem and he was going to try to do better. Then by the end of this issue him and Wolverine are standing in a literal pile of corpses.

The writers of the X-Men have had the same problem over and over again for nearly two decades now. They want to write mutants as an endangered species, which means they need to swiftly inflate mutant numbers just so they can drastically reduce them in a violent fashion. Then the X-Men are 'forced' to respond to the near extinction of their kind by doing 'whatever it takes' to keep them safe aka "standing their ground".

But they seem to be missing the point of the X-Men. They are a superhero team, they're supposed to be better than the people they fight against. Using the new comic as an example Cyclops and Wolverine did NOT need to kill all of those people. They are perfectly capable of incapacitating them. By not doing so not only is it going against Cyclops' revelation in tthe last comic, tthus making that comic a waste of time, it is continuing the reduction of the X-Men from a superhero team to a team that's as bad as the people they fight. I universe Purifiers, Reapers and other bigots have a moral ground to stand on when they can go find a pile of corpses left behind by Cyclops and say 'see this is why all mutants need to be destroyed look at what these guys did.' And the cycle of hate continues.

Writing wise it's obnoxious that we have to constantly go on these circles where a writer wants to artificially inflate the mutant numbers, kill off the inflated number along with X-Men they consider unimportant in order to prop up the few X-Men they are interested in. I always feel terrible when these new story lines come out because it's just another round of "OK which X-fans are going to be disappointed that they just killed off their favorite character for shock value." This time it was Loa, Blindfold and Velocidad fans. Then after the writer finishes their shock-death openers they retread the same story where the propped up X-Men have to make 'the hard choices'. Even though murdering someone who did you wrong isn't a hard choice, that's the easy one, that's literally been a theme of comics for over 50 years.

If they want to write comics like this then they should think about writing a Punisher, Suicide Squad or an X-Force book where force meeting force is the theme of those comics. An X-Men team of morally compromised people is not a superhero team book and it's not the kind of book that made the X-Men popular to begin with.

The Blindfold story should never have been told at all, or at least have had a different outcome. I don't understand how anybody can think that showing a girl whose superpower is to see the future decide that the best thing to do is kill herself is supposed to be in any way helpful to people who are suffering from depression. I'm fine with the X-Men going through difficult times and facing adversity, but this book was straight up misery porn.

For me, the problem with X-Men stories is that they have no hope. It's meant to be a metaphor for oppressed minorities and all the stories they have are about how hopeless all of this is and apocalyptic futures where things get worse. It's too depressing and a disservice to what the franchise should be representing.

The X-Men are considered dead, mutant cures, the mutant population on brink of extinction (again) and I'm meant to believe no one cares? It's not going to be all smiles and fun, but this constant depressing pessimism throughout the franchise has got to end. I've become numb to these type of stories and it feels like the X-franchise takes place on a completely different earth from the rest of Marvel. I'm meant to believe the entire superhero community see's mutants suffering and the X-Men possibly die and not care.... They can miss me with that sh*t.