What will it take for Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers to be a great heroine ?

[Cmbmool]

I don't like Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel as she is a character with a messed up backstory that very few chose to explore more often...A rough childhood, a airforce pilot, A security officer, a manager of a Magazine for the Daily Bugle, An Avenger, she was abused both Physically and mentally, She an alcoholic, she's half alien via Kree blood, ETC...

One has to wonder given her history...why cherry picked it and just go for the whole thing...of all the times she needed a shrink's help to just sort it all out.

However, I wonder what will it take for her to just be a good heroine in general if Marvel is truly trying to push her as such ?

What will it take for readers to accept Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers as one of Marvel's great heroines ?

What do you think as fans of the character and her history ?

[Snoop Dogg]

life of captain marvel

[Crimz]

She already is a great heroine to her fans. Everyone is different, so people will like and hate different characters.

There is no measurement for what makes a great character.

She doesn't even have to sell the best to be a great character or the "female lead". The only member of DC's Trinity who consistently sells in the top 10 is Batman, but that doesn't take away from Superman or Wonder Woman's status or being great characters.

[Wiccan]

She will never be liked by everyone. No character is, except those that are just kind of... Idk, like Spider-Man? LOL. Carol is a complex character who's flawed, makes mistakes, doesn't play nice. There are always people who are gonna hate characters like that, especially when they're women. I don't want Carol to become a toned-down version of herself just so that casual fans can be more into her. Doesn't mean I want her being like on CWII all the time or anything, but if you've read her books and didn't like her? Well, then she's just not for you.

[DragonsChi]

I don't like Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel as she is a character with a messed up backstory that very few chose to explore more often...A rough childhood, a airforce pilot, A security officer, a manager of a Magazine for the Daily Bugle, An Avenger, she was abused both Physically and mentally, She an alcoholic, she's half alien via Kree blood, ETC...

One has to wonder given her history...why cherry picked it and just go for the whole thing...of all the times she needed a shrink's help to just sort it all out.

However, I wonder what will it take for her to just be a good heroine in general if Marvel is truly trying to push her as such ?

What will it take for readers to accept Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers as one of Marvel's great heroines ?

What do you think as fans of the character and her history ?

There is no replacement for good stories and character development. You can scream a character is great, put them in every book, and throw shade at other characters until you are blue in the face, but people won't accept it any other way.

There is at least ten years of evidence that backs that up.

[Rosebunse]

I think it's simply time and stories. She can get there, it's just going to take time. This push for her hasn't really been that long.

[XPac]

I don't like Carol Danvers/Captain Marvel as she is a character with a messed up backstory that very few chose to explore more often...A rough childhood, a airforce pilot, A security officer, a manager of a Magazine for the Daily Bugle, An Avenger, she was abused both Physically and mentally, She an alcoholic, she's half alien via Kree blood, ETC...

One has to wonder given her history...why cherry picked it and just go for the whole thing...of all the times she needed a shrink's help to just sort it all out.

However, I wonder what will it take for her to just be a good heroine in general if Marvel is truly trying to push her as such ?

What will it take for readers to accept Captain Marvel/Carol Danvers as one of Marvel's great heroines ?

What do you think as fans of the character and her history ?

She's already a GOOD heroine.

If they keep her in the spotlight, overtime with enough stories under her belt she can become a top heroine. She already has a movie and a solo book, so her star is clearly on the rise.

Since most other female heroes are only in team books, Carol is in a pretty good position to stand out.

[gurkle]

While "great" is subjective I think greatness as a comic book character will arrive when Marvel isn't afraid to portray her as the deeply flawed person she is.

They sometimes try, but it feels closer to a TV show where the hero or heroine is supposed to be really cool and their "flaw" is being too tough or caring too much.

But Chris Claremont's Carol was very flawed, and when Carol came back to prominence as an Avenger in the late '90s she made huge mistakes in her zeal to prove herself as a hero, and she has an authoritarian militaristic streak. None of these things make her less than a hero, they just make her a screwed-up Marvel hero.

I know why Marvel doesn't want to lean too hard into her flaws and low self-esteem, because they're trying to present her as a role model. But I have trouble identifying with role models; I like Carol because she makes so many mistakes.

[Snoop Dogg]

While "great" is subjective I think greatness as a comic book character will arrive when Marvel isn't afraid to portray her as the deeply flawed person she is.

They sometimes try, but it feels closer to a TV show where the hero or heroine is supposed to be really cool and their "flaw" is being too tough or caring too much.

But Chris Claremont's Carol was very flawed, and when Carol came back to prominence as an Avenger in the late '90s she made huge mistakes in her zeal to prove herself as a hero, and she has an authoritarian militaristic streak. None of these things make her less than a hero, they just make her a screwed-up Marvel hero.

I know why Marvel doesn't want to lean too hard into her flaws and low self-esteem, because they're trying to present her as a role model. But I have trouble identifying with role models; I like Carol because she makes so many mistakes.

I can't believe a woman with a military background used to facing resistance and pushback from her contemporaries spearheaded a program based on crime detection that compromises civil rights in exchange for saving lives and neutralizing threats just 10 years after backing superhuman registration!

[your_name_here]

Could anyone recommend a good Captain Marvel story to get into the character? I’m assuming one of the more recent series’, something with a beginning middle and end that can sum up the character?

[Snoop Dogg]

Could anyone recommend a good Captain Marvel story to get into the character? I’m assuming one of the more recent series’, something with a beginning middle and end that can sum up the character?

Vida del Capitán Marvel (Life of Captain Marvel)

Capitán Marvel: El Enemigo Interno (Captain Marvel: The Enemy Within)

Guerra Civil: Señorita Marvel (Civil War: Miss Marvel)

[dreyga2000]

I've been reading Carol's ongoing since 2006. I can't tell you that beyond a doubt she is a GREAT heroine. Bendis just assassinated her character in Civil War II.

Carol does have fan base, the Carol Corps. SO many readers have already accepted her as a good hero. She's been able to carry a title for 50 plus issues back in the days before everything was constantly rebooted. And she has been in consistent print since 2012. As right now she is listed as Marvel best selling Graphic Novel on Amazon.

Could anyone recommend a good Captain Marvel story to get into the character? I’m assuming one of the more recent series’, something with a beginning middle and end that can sum up the character?

Her stories are pretty good, IMO she has only had one really bad run with Stohl save for Life of Captain Marvel that was good. Brian Reed's stuff was plagued by nonstop cross-overs but still very enjoyable. Kelly Sue Deconnick gave the character new life by solidifying her personality and generating her own cult following.

Rise of Alpha Flight- A Carol Danvers Must read IMO
Higher, Further, Faster
In Pursuit of Flight
Down
Best of the Best
Ms. Marvel: Civil War
Operation: Lighting Storm
Monster Smasher
War of the Marvels
Ascension
Captain Marvel: Civil War II I know what you are thinking but this actually shows the motivation behind her actions in Civil War. Good Read though art is uneven. makes Carol's choice make sense in context.
Life of Captain Marvel

[gurkle]

I can't believe a woman with a military background used to facing resistance and pushback from her contemporaries spearheaded a program based on crime detection that compromises civil rights in exchange for saving lives and neutralizing threats just 10 years after backing superhuman registration!

She doesn't like killing civilians, she just doesn't hate it.

[jetengine]

She doesn't like killing civilians, she just doesn't hate it.

Its almost like saving the planet means nothing if a few people die right ?

[Ichijinijisanji]

She doesn't like killing civilians, she just doesn't hate it.

Depends on the writer. This was relatively early on in her career where she was struggling with the kree side of herself. When the skrull came around she got completely bloodlusted



Claremont was working with how her kree side made her very violent with no regard for life (civilans or the enemy) so as long as she finished off her opponent



Eventually these two sides of her got blended. She hates killing/severely harming civilians , but deep down she still does enjoy killing her enemies even if she feels immensely guitly about feeling that way (considers herself bad for killing but weak for not killing her enemies), unless it's in times of war or if great civilian life is in danger where the guilt doesnt come up (explored by reed and busiek)