People don't get it because that never happened.
"Cable was right!"
Kwannon wasn't killed really ever with the more recent retcons and she more ended up in Revanche's body, and they didn't need cultural context given that they didn't do it for that reason, Betsy didn't ask for it to happen to her as it was done against her will and she made the most of it, and the bodies were melded together so they had traits and such of both, Betsy just ended up in the more Asian of the two bodies and she had long ago accepted that and moved on before the recent retcons...
Dude it ain’t worth it. At the end of the day, no matter how you explain what happened, people will just see it the way that they want to see it. That’s really all this thread has devolved into, a shouting contest in which case neither side will just agree to disagree. In the end, it just goes to show how this mess didn’t solve anything and how Psylocke is basically now yet another base breaking character in Marvel’s ever growing pile.
So here is what you aren't understanding I didn't call it yellowface, I don't need to be or call it yellowface to make the point but it has enough parallels to yellow face to make it uncomfortable thing. Psylocke is one bad story or just mediocre not well explained story away being yellow face. Psylocke was one misunderstood firestorm from being a PR disaster for Marvel. I didn't mention blackface and yellowface to say that Psylocke case was it,I mention them show how much crap people get doing it. The point was so what if move was done for political correctness avoiding a shitstorm is better than letting it sneak up on you screw you. Once again time or popularity isn't good reasoning this was the Iconic Indians Mascot Chief Wahoo ask yourself how did that make it 2018
Even if Psylocke isn't yellow face she is was the face of Asian characters in Marvel and the ugly truth is that she got slot on teams because she has look of a minority. Now it is whole other issue them not using more Asian characters (something that Marvel needs to be criticized for) but for years the one Asian character has been Psylocke. The one A-list Asian character is actually British white woman. Now as i said we beat this horse to death in other thread and forgot the name of person but they did a very good job of explaining how Psylocke to them as mix raced person they connected to character so I can see that angle now but was never flesh out in books. Anyways the point is here while we are fight to get more in Asian characters to show up books let not have the one showing up be "Rachel Dozal". With Jubilee, Surge, Karma, Loa(rip),Armor, Sunfire, Trinary, Daken, Kwannon, etc around you have better options.
Anyways I see you think the thread a devolve into a scream match fine I have made my point but I will end with 3 things
- Since Psylocke has been change to back it looks like they have actively try to use other Asian characters. Armor, Jubilee, and Karma already have gotten more prominent roles in things
- The issue of Psylocke possibly being yellow face is gone,Marvel will never get into a controversy about it
- They left Kwannon around and she is showing up in Uncanny and if written well she can give people taste of character they use to like
For a just a "political correct move" it has a lot of tangible positive things you can see.
Last edited by Killerbee911; 02-22-2019 at 01:56 PM.
It really didn’t and just feels like an excuse people like to use. There was absolutely nothing preventing the use of any of these characters beyond writers interest. It’s like saying if we got rid of the WatXM teen mutants that suddenly we’d see the New X-Men characters being used. It’s completely bogus.
Any apparent “upswing” of Asian use is just a fabrication. Jubilee never really stopped being used once Wood brought her back with her having been a supporting character in Hellcat during the Terrigen Crisis and a teacher in Generation X. Armor was brought back into prominence during WatXM vol 2 and even used in Gold as a replacement team member and part of Bobby’s team. Karma was a main character in Astonishing X-Men a few years ago and was part of New Mutants Dead Souls. Any statement even trying to say Psylocke’s change had anything to do with it is beyond reaching.
Last edited by Kurolegacy; 02-22-2019 at 02:37 PM.
Maybe you are right but I think there is a jump from being a side x-men project books to one of the focused characters in a main X-men book or story event. I don't mind people disagreeing with me on this just keep a eye and see if the trend continues and when we get the main X-books back
PS-Sunfire is also around too
I’d say you should wait to see if there’s any real pattern before jumping to conclusions. As shown above, all the characters mentioned were already being used and it had nothing to do with Psylocke. And I really wouldn’t count Shiro because he’s literally been nothing but wallpaper in his appearances rather than anything major.
What do I have to wait ? It is assumption based on my reading of the information I am fine with people not calling it fact. What is fact is Nature Girl is on Marvelous, Jubilee is on Extremist, Armor is front and center in Next Gen and Karma is in Uncanny.. Armor was important in Disassemble , Jubilee was on main team and Karma is on Cyclops Uncanny squad. It looks like uptick to me I made an assumption to ONE of the causes of it. When you consider how often X-men books seem like "hey look you get one minority from a group and only one alone"I am cool with my assumption. We aren't court there no burden of proof is need here lets hope I am right because if you are right means Marvel took away its most recognizable "Asian" character with no plan to replace her.
Last edited by Killerbee911; 02-22-2019 at 04:35 PM.
yeah thats like saying we are seeing more black representation bc Maggott appeared in Uncanny
Blue had that Rashka girl and Daken (whom also appeared in Iceman and ANW). Gen X had Jubilee and Nature Girl. Red had Trinary. There was quite a bit of Asian representation in ResurrXion. We'll have to agree to disagree but I dont think much has changed from now compared to last year
Last edited by Havok83; 02-22-2019 at 05:14 PM.