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    Quote Originally Posted by Bored at 3:00AM View Post
    I took a crack at a Superman of All Eras version of his history in the view of Morrison's Everything Happened Batman.
    Alright, I'll take a look.

    Whoa, that was... basically a broad recap of Superman's comic history with everything consigned to one shifting timeline. Making Superman responsible for both the Multiple Earths split and "comic book time's" inability to move forward is... ballsy, I'll say that. I think it works great as a kind of headcanon to keep tabs on everything with as close an adherence to the letter of the law as you're going to get, and in some ways strikes me as a better version of the comics' own version of things.

    At the same time, it's pretty convoluted in a way that might not quite "click" as easily to the average fan as Morrison's New 52 attempt at Superman History Reclamation, or even the bland broadness of Reborn's "uhh... any story probably could have happened, maybe, but probably not the same way" thing.

    Another thing I'll say is that regarding Superboy-Prime as the abandoned Superboy of Clark's own youth disregards the fact that that Superboy existed in a far more complete form following the Crisis, and died fighting the Time Trapper, after Superboy Prime had already been introduced. But that's ultimately a nitpick I suppose, compared to my earlier points.

    Either way, I got a lot of respect for the fact that you actually took the time to put all that together so, many thanks for that!
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    I still kinda wonder if there's something to this concept in the idea of the green car recently showing up in Action. It could just be entirely symbolic but its still a point of interest to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    I still kinda wonder if there's something to this concept in the idea of the green car recently showing up in Action. It could just be entirely symbolic but its still a point of interest to me.
    I’ll be pretty happy if some Golden Age stuff gets folded back in. But we’ll see.

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    Nemesis just referenced both Wonder Woman’s clay origin and the JMS run in the latest issue of Wonder Woman. That, the green car, and even the way King has referenced all eras Batman and Catwoman meetings, they could definitely be seeding some kinda grand unifying multi-era theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adekis View Post
    Alright, I'll take a look.

    Whoa, that was... basically a broad recap of Superman's comic history with everything consigned to one shifting timeline. Making Superman responsible for both the Multiple Earths split and "comic book time's" inability to move forward is... ballsy, I'll say that. I think it works great as a kind of headcanon to keep tabs on everything with as close an adherence to the letter of the law as you're going to get, and in some ways strikes me as a better version of the comics' own version of things.

    At the same time, it's pretty convoluted in a way that might not quite "click" as easily to the average fan as Morrison's New 52 attempt at Superman History Reclamation, or even the bland broadness of Reborn's "uhh... any story probably could have happened, maybe, but probably not the same way" thing.

    Another thing I'll say is that regarding Superboy-Prime as the abandoned Superboy of Clark's own youth disregards the fact that that Superboy existed in a far more complete form following the Crisis, and died fighting the Time Trapper, after Superboy Prime had already been introduced. But that's ultimately a nitpick I suppose, compared to my earlier points.

    Either way, I got a lot of respect for the fact that you actually took the time to put all that together so, many thanks for that!
    It's meant to be more metaphorical, but blown up into a big cosmic event as most stuff in Superman's life is. I view Superboy-Prime and the Pocketverse Superboy of the LSH are each shards of the same guy here. all caused by Superman's original trip back in time to Krypton. In Infinite Crisis, all three facets of himself were in conflict, the boy, the young man and the old man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daBronzeBomma View Post
    I never read Grant Morrison's critically acclaimed BATMAN run. It's on my comic book bucket list (now there's a thread that needs to be made!), but it's gonna havta wait for now.

    But what fascinates me most about hearing people talk about it is the concept that Morrison insists every single Batman story from 1939 to the present counts and somehow has happened. Nothing is thrown out or forgotten.

    I have so many questions. But chief among them is this:

    Can this "everything counts" idea of his please be applied to Superman and his mythos?

    I would love it if everything from 1938's ACTION COMICS #1 through the present all counted/happened in some narratively tangible way.

    What did Morrison do to Batman to make all his previous histories count? Could it be done for Superman?

    Or is Superman just too complicated for that to work?
    I actually think it works for Superman far better. In Supes' sci-fi/fantasy world, it's a perfect fit, IMHO. And now while I know this is purely personal preference on my part, I've always liked my Batman far more grounded than Morrison writes him, hence, my not being a huge fan of his Batman run (although I am a HUGE fan of his Superman and JL stories).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DochaDocha View Post
    Easiest handwave solution would be Hypertime. Everything happened, but in parallel universes.
    Man, I love the concept of Hypertime. You can literally tell any sort of Batman story you want without compromising a version it would just be awkward with. It's like the ultimate comics version of having your cake and eating it, too!
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    No I don't really think that's all that possible. Granted this is just my opinion and everything but I've been following this character for roughly a decade and watching the fanbase for even longer to me the Pre and Post Crisis interpretations of Superman are like water and oil.

    When fans of either era are presented with examples of characterization of the other they tend to cringe and go on about how it doesn't jive with their idea of Superman. I don't really want to see a Superman that's comfortable in his own skin and background as an alien give way to a Superman that's wants to be human. The latter is just a far less confident take to me and I see confidence in himself as a forefront trait of Superman's character.

    And honestly if people weren't ready for Morrison's Jeans/T-Shirt Superman that aren't going to be able to handle OG Siegel&Shuster characterization. They just aren't ready for it. S&S Superman was at the peak when it came to confidence, ruggedness, determination and energy. I don't want to see all that "develop" into a guy who can't compare in any of those areas. Golden Age Superman was a complete badass, Post-Crisis Superman and Silver Age Superman just had their moments imo.

    Sure you could go back and say stuff happened but if the finished product i.e modern Superman is lesser hero then what's the point? Part of what made Grant Morrison approach work was that he also built Bruce into the Ultimate Batman. The only writer that's shown definitively they can write an Ultimate Superman is well Grant Morrison across Final Crisis, Justice League, N52, and All Star he showed that but he also seems done with the character. We couldn't even make it through Action Comics 1000 without people apologizing for Actions Comics 1 could we ever have a definitive Superman when people can even leave the guys iconic moments alone?

    I feel if you want the old stuff to count you should probably just get Old Kal-L and let him be reclaim the Pre-Crisis stories.

    I'm open to being proven wrong though.
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    Morrison needed a broken Batman to fix because that's what he does, he comes to a shitty title and makes it good. In Batman's case, Batman was already good without the shitty history, so he brought all the silver age stuff back and break Batman to fix but i don't think his run will matter something like The Dark Knight Returns or Year One in time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurz View Post
    Morrison needed a broken Batman to fix because that's what he does, he comes to a shitty title and makes it good. In Batman's case, Batman was already good without the shitty history, so he brought all the silver age stuff back and break Batman to fix but i don't think his run will matter something like The Dark Knight Returns or Year One in time.
    Damian alone means no one is ever forgetting his run. Even stuff like the Young Justice cartoon is drawing on what Morrison did.

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