Savage Avengers from Duggan and Deodato!!

[XPac]

With Frank aka The Punishers inclusion the day is finally here... when being an Avenger means entirely nothing!

I knew this would happen one day when Wolverine was first added to the team but it doesn’t sting any less.

During Hickmans run we had an "Avengers" team going around blowing up planets... so this book arguably will be a big step down from that.

But the thing is, Hickmans New Avengers weren't necessariy a real Avengers team... and it's possible this group might not actually be an Avengers team either. It could simply be using the name to help market the book.

[Captain M]

My initial repsonse is "lol I hate this"

Like everything about this sucks. Having Conan. Elektra being the only woman. Avengers name being forced on this.

But then I realized perhaps we're back at making a handful Avengers teams at once so maybe more teams will be announced in the following months and that would be nice

[Digifiend]

Yeah, I can still see New Avengers happening. Only two of the No Road Home Avengers are accounted for after all (Hawkeye and Conan). And then there's everyone still limboed or not on teams after No Surrender. Young Avengers is possible too, but that would probably replace West Coast and thus not be an extra book.

Really, I think "Mighty" was the only adjective that the Avengers actually used. They didn't go around calling themselves Uncanny either. MAYBE they called themselves NEW or SECRET once or twice, butI don't think it was ever a part of their official names.

New Avengers was the official name for Ewing's team. Uncanny you're right, they were actually called the Avengers Unity Division or Unity Squad.

[XPac]

Yeah, I can still see New Avengers happening. Only two of the No Road Home Avengers are accounted for after all (Hawkeye and Conan). And then there's everyone still limboed or not on teams after No Surrender.
New Avengers was the official name for Ewing's team. Uncanny you're right, they were actually called the Avengers Unity Division or Unity Squad.

There's no reason not to have multiple Avenger books. Even a sattelite Avengers book will likely sell better than at least half the books marvel publishes.

I think it's fine to have Aarons book the ONLY book for a short window of time to make it feel a bit more special... but that window has come and gone. I think it would be dumb not to have at least 2 if not 3.

[The Kid]

Probably an Avengers in name only team. Still can't imagine Frank being an actual Avenger. Duggan writing Logan is an automatic win for me tho

[XPac]

Probably an Avengers in name only team. Still can't imagine Frank being an actual Avenger. Duggan writing Logan is an automatic win for me tho

I would agree about Frank... though back in the day people said that about Wolverine.

I think having that one guy who people can't imagine being an Avenger is almost a part of the formula for new teams at this point.

[Venomous Mask]

Now this is an Avengers book I can get behind!

[XPac]

It's sort of interesting that Wanda isn't on the team, considering she and Voodoo are dating. I think No Road Home implied they're living together. I wonder if he's doing this behind her back.

[The Kid]

I would agree about Frank... though back in the day people said that about Wolverine.

I think having that one guy who people can't imagine being an Avenger is almost a part of the formula for new teams at this point.

Good point. I've actually being binge reading the original New Avengers and Logan joining the team still feels kinda weird looking back at it. I've gotten used to him as an Avenger now but it still feels a bit weird when Stark recruits him after the Savage Land arc. Unlike that team though, this isn't the main Avengers team so I think Frank and venom being on the team makes much more sense

[Rosebunse]

Of course Frank would never be allowed on a real Avengers team, but I'm interested in seeing how he fits here. Everyone else I can see working together, but Frank? Not so much. So that will be fun.

[chamber-music]

Being an Avenger stopped meaning anything a while ago.

This sounds like Red Hulk Thunderbolt run with Deadpool, Elektra, Agent Venom, and Punisher under the Avengers banner.

[Digifiend]

It's sort of interesting that Wanda isn't on the team, considering she and Voodoo are dating. I think No Road Home implied they're living together. I wonder if he's doing this behind her back.

Or she's dead.

[Beetle]

Oh that's Jericho Drumm, I didn't recognize him at first because he isn't in any kind of costume.

I was kinda hoping that it was Sunspot and artists were finally drawing him dark skinned again.

[Noodle]

So it's X-Force for the Avengers, but they already have an A-Force so they can't call it that.

I'm sure it'll be a cool self-contained thing. I can't see it having a part in any major crossover books or anything since I'm assuming that would kill any reprints of it after that Conan licence ends.

[Frontier]

Sounds like a fun book, but not one I think really sounds like an Avengers title beyond branding.

I really don't care for Conan being an Avenger (or in the regular Marvel Universe) and, while I like Duggan's Logan, I was really not looking forward to him being an "Avenger" again.

(And are we really going to call Venom a Superhero now? Okay).

I'm kind of surprised they're going back to Elektra's Netflix-inspired costume.