Simon Phoenix replaces the Joker in TDK

[BitVyper]

He has access to the Joker's henchmen and other resources. This is post-thawing Simon, so he has his computer hacking and combat skills as well. How do things go?

[master of read]

not as well as you think.

while simon was pretty badass, he was a badass in a era of wimps who didn't know how to deal with him. depends on what his end goal is too.

[The Chou Lives]

Yeah. One of the main reasons Simon did so well, was the fact society got really soft and stupid.

[BitVyper]

He's still pretty competent, and strong enough to hurl a man through the air one-handed. That on top of the skills he gained, and we know he was clever enough to hide a bunch of hostages in plain sight well enough to trick the 90s cops and Stallone.

[The Chou Lives]

Yeah I can see Simon actually fighting BatBale better than Ledger ( whichnis a given.)

[KJS]

Phoenix was badass - and quite competently conniving - long before "San Angeles" was a peaceful utopia.

He's the reason John Spartan was frozen alongside him in 1996, as he framed him for attacking a building full of hostages (even though, in reality, he'd already killed them all). He'd also rigged the building to explode and was a career criminal, lording over a fairly ruthless gang and having the respect of all the other dangerous thugs who were frozen at the same time as him.

He was also perfectly capable of going toe-to-toe with John Spartan, who was the toughest LAPD officer in 1996 Los Angeles.

Everything he did in the ill-equipped future was based on skills he'd learned in a very violent past version of L.A.

While he's no Joker in terms of planning, he could certainly kick his ass in a fight, and he certainly WASN'T only a badass in an era of wimps.