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    Default Weakest State/Country to defeat a rogue Marine Regiment

    The worst has happened; for reasons unknown, an entire Regiment of the United States Marines, the planet's premiere warfighting organization, goes rogue. Worse, they've taken all their hardware with them, they've several thousand tons of munitions, including support equipment. They're disciplined(MARINES, duh...) they're motivated, and they're deadly.

    And they've literally disappeared off the map. No contact with relatives, no bank withdrawals, no social media activity, no emails even suggesting this was going to happen.

    But we know they're out there.

    And its only a matter of time before they make themselves known.

    So now, we prepare. And we first identify our weakest links. SO.

    In the world as it sits today, including the US mainland, who is the weakest State/Nation/City/Town/whatever that can beat back, and beat down, a rogue regiment of US Marines?


    ***NO, these men and women won't be abiding by the Geneva Convention. All rules of engagement are out the window on their part; they are rogue for a reason.
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    If they have the vehicles to carry them around, they are quite visible. They need fuel. Do they have sufficient anti-air weaponery for more than a couple of airstrikes? It takes quite a bit to wander around the planet.

    I'm sorry, they don't sound so scary. Any country with a developed military will be able to contain them. Ok - Luxembourg will have some trouble. The next day, Nato destroyed the regiment.

    NO offense but time to take a class and/or read military history/strategy/tactics texts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T51R View Post
    The worst has happened; for reasons unknown, an entire Regiment of the United States Marines, the planet's premiere warfighting organization, goes rogue. Worse, they've taken all their hardware with them, they've several thousand tons of munitions, including support equipment. They're disciplined(MARINES, duh...) they're motivated, and they're deadly.

    And they've literally disappeared off the map. No contact with relatives, no bank withdrawals, no social media activity, no emails even suggesting this was going to happen.

    But we know they're out there.

    And its only a matter of time before they make themselves known.

    So now, we prepare. And we first identify our weakest links. SO.

    In the world as it sits today, including the US mainland, who is the weakest State/Nation/City/Town/whatever that can beat back, and beat down, a rogue regiment of US Marines?


    ***NO, these men and women won't be abiding by the Geneva Convention. All rules of engagement are out the window on their part; they are rogue for a reason.

    South Carolina, they are the hell home to Spawn the Marine training. They will break them again to be vegeatables ( that was a joke, though their training base is Paris Island, off the coast and the fact the state sucks. Because I came from there.)


    Real answer: As mentioned, the Marines moving all at once would be a eye sore to take out and in reality they are a glorified Army, with speciality training for amphibious assaults.

    Otherwise it is basically the US army with a different uniform and even more trigger happy mind set. Cannot think of the weakest to stop them. But they can be. Especially going rogue means they need to supply themselves now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Smith View Post
    If they have the vehicles to carry them around, they are quite visible. They need fuel. Do they have sufficient anti-air weaponery for more than a couple of airstrikes? It takes quite a bit to wander around the planet.

    I'm sorry, they don't sound so scary. Any country with a developed military will be able to contain them. Ok - Luxembourg will have some trouble. The next day, Nato destroyed the regiment.

    NO offense but time to take a class and/or read military history/strategy/tactics texts.
    Bad example. NSPA in Luxembourg is where all NATO logistics and spare equipment is centred. They have A LOT of equipment in that country.

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    OK, Lichtenstein.

    This really isn't a hard challenge, more of a pain in the butt for most countries.

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    out of the 241 countries in the world you would have to scrape the absolute bottom of the barrel and pick the 10 smallest and poorest countries for a single USMC regiment to have a real shot at winning.

    a regiment isn't even that big! a typical mission for a single regiment might be capture a couple of villages or a small to medium sized city. alternately they might be used to capture a stretch of highway, railway line, or clear out a small heavily defended forest to pave the way for other forces.

    assuming they've magically been supplied with everything they need to operate for a couple of weeks I don't see them doing much.

    a single rogue USMC regiment would have it's hands full conquering a medium-sized modern city and then holding it. even here they would eventually get destroyed through attrition, guerrilla combat, and by not having any sort of real logistical support apart from what they loot and plunder. if you sent one regiment of USMC into any major metropolis in the United States they would eventually get destroyed even if the US government took no military action at all. if the government took decisive military action they would get captured, imprisoned, etc within a month or so at most. and THAT is assuming that this rogue regimental commander is a tactical genius.

    case in point: yes, if they magically captured Vatican City by surprise they could "win". but then they would immediately get surrounded and wiped out by Italian armed forces.

    you're going to need a exceedingly small and poor country for these marines to have a shot at winning. it needs to have small enough land mass and NO MILITARY with a relatively weak police force. it would also probably need to have a population of less than 20,000 so.... that leaves us with... Tuvalu, Nauru and maybe Palau?

    they certainly can't capture multiple islands because this would create some serious logistics problems. if the rogue marines divide up their forces that's going to leave them even more vulnerable to the inevitable response from their new-found enemies. so that probably rules out Tuvalu and Palau... so that leaves us with Nauru? a small country that appears to have no fire arms for civilians or police officers. it also has a population of roughly 12,000.

    okay, so Nauru is possibly the only nation on the world where I could see a single unsupported USMC regiment successfully taking over. and then, give it about a week or so, the Australians will probably come over and kick their ass and they'll wish they'd never been born.
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    Yeah, cut off from support as they are these rogue marines are going to wither on the vine fast.

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    a single rogue USMC regiment would have it's hands full conquering a medium-sized modern city and then holding it. even here they would eventually get destroyed through attrition, guerrilla combat, and by not having any sort of real logistical support apart from what they loot and plunder. if you sent one regiment of USMC into any major metropolis in the United States they would eventually get destroyed even if the US government took no military action at all. if the government took decisive military action they would get captured, imprisoned, etc within a month or so at most. and THAT is assuming that this rogue regimental commander is a tactical genius.
    As an aside, that's why I always shake my head at plots as in the DC TV shows to take over a city with 100 ninjas or the like. Major cities are loaded with folks with firearms, motivation, veterans, etc. Where I live there are about 8 big box and small stores stocked with all kinds of of firepower in easy driving distance. What the people own - yeah, run around with a bow and arrow and katana.

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    They keyword is all "their equipment". Which mean Planes,Tanks,Missile systems possible Ships and Subs. Most importantly Nukes and the funniest thing in reading people discuss this is that.People are making it sound like this easy task ,Good luck fighting against group of people who will weaponize ebola and other nasty diseases and hit your medical centers at the same time. Apparently the no Genova convention part in the OP was missed.

    My general understand of this scenario Regiment which about 4,000ish people (HQ company and about 4 battalions/ 800 per battalion ) defected away. They are sitting in country that US wouldn't invade but country isn't helping them. And they are deciding to take over country with understand they are only about 3,200 ish people. Why are people assuming the the idiot scenario where the Marines try to fight hold country with just that amount people in straight up conventional fight.Why wouldn't they infiltrate country try to get sympathizers, destabilize country like messing with finance and politics and then finally hit population centers with nasty tactics like bioweapons or nukes. Yeah I am not saying they win but you can to hold a larger population and military at bay with threat of blowing them off the map. A beginning with coordinated attack that hits tech like communication and weaponized bio attack and oh yeah here a nuke good measure is rough.

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    Precisely how many nukes or bio weapons would you say your average regiment of Marines would have access to?

    Do you think the US DOD divides its nukes up conveniently between all its units so they can all have a go?

    Because no. They don’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beadle View Post
    Precisely how many nukes or bio weapons would you say your average regiment of Marines would have access to?

    Do you think the US DOD divides its nukes up conveniently between all its units so they can all have a go?

    Because no. They don’t.
    It depends on what they do if it is Air related group(or Naval group),They have quite bit more than average not air related than less if any. How many bio weapons do they have ? None unless it really specific unit in military who are testing to counter against it. How hard is to weaponize hazardous stuff? Not hard but Geneva convention keeps big countries in line and small countries don't have access to the good stuff. Anyways They are 6,800 warheads in the US , 4,000 of them is in the present arsenal.The real question is if the regiment is the one with F35s

    Anyways I am bias my scenario is the imaginary one where you have Force Recon,CBRN and Air Wing invoved
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    Quote Originally Posted by Killerbee911 View Post
    It depends on what they do if it is Air related group(or Naval group),They have quite bit more than average not air related than less if any. How many bio weapons do they have ? None unless it really specific unit in military who are testing to counter against it. How hard is to weaponize hazardous stuff? Not hard but Geneva convention keeps big countries in line and small countries don't have access to the good stuff. Anyways They are 6,800 warheads in the US , 4,000 of them is in the present arsenal.The real question is if the regiment is the one with F35s
    It doesn’t matter if they don’t have the launch codes, which they wouldn’t have. Unless the President has also gone rogue (*cough*) in which case it’s less a rogue regiment and more an angry American military, which is a different beast entirely.

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    Getting ridiculous, a regiment does not have organic F-35s - which would be out of ammo and fuel in day or two. You cannot postulate from the OP that this regiment has the entire logistic extended train and other force components with it.

    A regiment doesn't have subs and bio weapons (which are forbidden and not in our arsenal).

    Suspending disbelief is good when we discuss how Superman flies but if you propose a realistic scenario with real world equipment, you better know your stuff and theory. Some here don't.

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    OK, if you assumed that this regiment had good supplies at the beginning, and sticking to what I imagine the spirit of the OP to be, they would be able to cause serious destruction anywhere they went. Seriously, outside of countries that have standing armies chilling outside major cities, if they just showed up at the edge of a city undetected, they would cause ridiculous havoc.

    Mostly because this would be more or less a natural disaster hitting that city. You'd have some level of artillery shelling police, food, shopping malls and schools, rockets and missiles for wanton destruction and taking out armored vehicles and any kind of in-place air support (mostly helicopters in a city, and mostly not many of them), and trained soldiers armored and armed with automatic weapons making concentrated, precise, deadly strikes. The populace would panic, and individual "heroes" with guns would get gunned down. And they would take hostages: tens of thousands of them. Just wire office buildings to explode, detonate a couple of them, and let it be known that you are going to take out the rest if organized resistance shows.

    They could take a city is what I'm saying, and damn near any city in the world where the leaders give the slightest crap about their citizens and, as stated, don't have a standing army on-site. That would only last so long, however. First, if they are entirely brutal, which they would need to be to take over in this fashion, the leader in question will eventually take some pretty severe steps/risks to dislodge them, knowing that whatever they do in response isn't appreciably worse than what happens if the leader does nothing. Second, they don't really have any goal or an endgame here: nobody is going to trade with them, Marines aren't particularly skilled at keeping peace or at managing a city or anything like that, and everyone is going to hate them. Third, they will suffer defections and, more importantly, losses, and have no way to replenish their numbers.

    Of course, this is really unrealistic, as marine regiments don't really just apparate into attack position by a city. They would be spotted well before and put on Instagram like everything else.
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    whoa! hold on there big_adventure. now you're talking about stuff that would require artillery and engineers. (seriously, blowing up buildings, taking hostages?)

    and THAT sounds more like a USMC division or even a Task Force than a nuts-and-bolts USMC INFANTRY REGIMENT. a regiment might have roughly 2000 guys in it right now. and before you think that's an unstoppable force... Los Angeles probably has at least five times that many cops that are armed and trained in the use of deadly force. that's not even including all of the other people that would have even more formidable guns but less training. these aren't comic book super soldiers. these are just ordinary people.

    if they're really lucky they could copy what Li Mi did after WW2 with his basically 'rogue' 93rd Division. He and his soldiers wandered around Burma for a pretty long time with the aid of the United States... but mostly hijacked the local opium trade and sold that to survive. on top of that the local governments were also trying to suppress numerous rebellions and couldn't throw all of their might against this renegade force. this is about as close to what the OP is thinking of... and even here, they didn't survive without the help of an outside government or two.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li_Mi_...China_general)

    the OP doesn't stipulate that... so there's not a whole hell of a lot these guys can do in a real-world scenario. most countries that have a regular military can, and would, crush these guys within at least a month or two. ESPECIALLY if they start doing the sorts of things that big_adventure is talking about. that would just get the rogue marines killed even faster.

    remember, folks a "medium sized city" anywhere in the world might have 200,000 people in it. that's a numerical advantage of roughly 100-to-1 going against these rogue marines. even if they have superiority in firepower there's simply no way an unsupported regiment can hold out against numerical advantages like that.

    my "take over Nauru" scenario doesn't sound that impressive when you compare it to comic book adventure shenanigans... but for a supposedly real-world fighting force with the severe limitations that are implied in the OP that would be a pretty formidable under-taking.

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