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    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    Heaven is not really represented in the Hellboy universe. ...

    He is the beast of the apocalypse...
    Seems they do indicate heaven ^, it actually forms part of the premise/description of him as "beast of the apocalypse" that comes from a passage in the bible, they even cite it above - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...14&version=KJV

    Quote Originally Posted by Joker View Post
    Hellboy himself has never expressed a specific faith.
    Although he acknowledges it in his origin, even as antithetical to it. So does he reject it exists? Is it either one way or the other, as far as what is implied he believes or not?
    It does seem there is room for interpretation, like if anything he dos recognize them, yet is trying to subvert these things that are "prophesied" in christian source, including his own role in them. (symbolically shattering his own horns/crown) And to what ends (for himself, for humanity)?
    So does he believe them, what does that makes him?
    I am curious how others interpret it all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tien Long View Post
    ... A good instance of that for me was the NIghtcrawler episode of X-Men animated series. That was the first time I learned that Kurt was Christian and that episode definitely wore it on its sleeve:



    For me, that was pretty shocking. As a kid, I knew about separation of church and state. And here was Kurt talking about God on one of, if not THE, most popular Saturday morning cartoon shows. I wondered how the non-Christian kids would react to that. Apparently it didn't offend that many people, so that's a good thing.

    So in summary, yeah I think Catholic characters like Nightcrawler and Daredevil can be overt with their religion, but not to the point of offense or obnoxiousness. At times though, it has slightly gone to that edge.
    It is interesting, and that was just one episode introducing a character, the show was never about, or ever became just about that.
    Ultimately the characters preach for tolerance, acceptance, no mater the faith.
    So was that the "correct" vehicle for the message? Was that even an issue?
    Clearly depends who you ask.
    I do wonder if today they could even do one episode like that, without some huge backlash that they were preaching or forcing one faith over others?
    Could they do a similar episode today? Or an episode where a character from another faith has words that invoke the same?
    Or would that have been denounced as promoting one over an other? Or to the contrary been celebrated as an even broader showing of tolerance?

    Does X-Men by nature, what they've come to represent, transcend them all? (should they?)
    How did people feel about this powerful scene...?




    Or...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tien Long View Post
    That being said, while I don't feel Nightcrawler and Daredevil's Catholicism hasn't been depicted as being too overt, I could see how it could be perceived as such. A good instance of that for me was the NIghtcrawler episode of X-Men animated series. That was the first time I learned that Kurt was Christian and that episode definitely wore it on its sleeve:
    I remembered that episode, and in a follow-up episode, Nightcrawler finally confronts Mystique who tells him the truth of his birth and abandonment.

    This clip cuts before Mystique, replying "I don't deserve your—" gets interrupted by Creed in a chopper firing on both of them; she shoves Kurt aside, is grazed by a bullet, and then finishes with "prayers" before falling into the river below the dam. And then we see the rest of the flashback; she was crying as she set Kurt adrift, because she loved him after all.
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    Victor Mancha from Marvel's Runaways. Despite being the machine/human hybrid son of Ultron, and knowing that it's literally programmed into him his Catholic faith has never wavered. Nico Minoru from the same series was a devout Catholic to the extent of having been an Altar server, but events in the series have left her too skeptical to hold onto the label. Chase Stein doesn't appear to come from a religious household whatsoever despite the surname, but he's also been shown to recite Christian prayers at times.
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    What is SPAWN?
    Seems the soul looking for redemption - posing with / (chained) latched-to the crucifix trope? - http://2.bp.blogspot.com/jZbUhC8--Ug...Kkm_O3eY=s1600
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    On Hellboy ...

    I put him in the same class as John Constantine when it's comes to faith.

    Only as a weapon.
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    timothy zahn sneaked christianity into his heir to the empire novels.
    Jorus C'baoth=JC, obvious

    but wait, there is more to it:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Migh...ess_Is_Our_God

    "Did we in our own strength confide,
    Our striving would be losing;
    Were not the right Man on our side,
    The Man of God's own choosing.
    Dost ask who that may be?
    Christ Jesus, it is he;
    Lord Sabaoth is his name,
    From age to age the same,
    And He must win the battle."

    gotta reread the triology to figure out if zahn worked a deeper meaning into it, or if he just liked the name.
    does it count? there is a comic book adaptation if the story after all

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    On Hellboy ...

    I put him in the same class as John Constantine when it's comes to faith.

    Only as a weapon.
    Oh, so they're Republicans?

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    LOL ^ to be fair I have seen Christians describe their faith as a weapon.




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    LOL looked up his origin^, love the quick recap. Apparently summoned to Earth by the Third Reich, yet rebels against them, adopted into BPRD

    Another recap - https://i.imgur.com/yPCajZl.jpg





    Quote Originally Posted by Kai "the spy" View Post
    Hellboy battles demons, vampires, and all kinds of mystical beings that are vulnerable to the cross. It's not really an expression of faith, it's a weapon in his arsenal.
    Oh ok, since he seems to carry it, I am curious as per the comic, what (if anything?) does he believe is the source of the crosses' power, to do what you describe?

    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    On Hellboy .... when it's comes to faith.

    Only as a weapon.
    I'll put the same question to you, what does he believe is the source of the "weapon"''s power?
    Keeping in mind he breaks off his horns to not be (or fulfill the role) of the "beast" of the prophecy. What's he channeling, that helps him subvert or not become that?
    Free will? Something more?
    What about using the crucifix power specifically? What does he believe is the source behind that power?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike-X View Post
    Oh, so they're Republicans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravin' Ray View Post
    I remembered that episode, and in a follow-up episode, Nightcrawler finally confronts Mystique who tells him the truth of his birth and abandonment.

    This clip cuts before Mystique, replying "I don't deserve your—" gets interrupted by Creed in a chopper firing on both of them; she shoves Kurt aside, is grazed by a bullet, and then finishes with "prayers" before falling into the river below the dam. And then we see the rest of the flashback; she was crying as she set Kurt adrift, because she loved him after all.
    Yeah, that was a good follow up episode. First off, it was funny to see how Rogue and Nightcrawler were related. Secondly, Nightcrawler's deep faith and compassion contrasted with Creed's overwhelming hate and bigotry. Seeing Nightcrawler and Mystique's relationship fully mentioned (it was pretty blatant in the first Nightcrawler episode) was nice. And you're right, seeing the normally cold, distant, and selfish Mystique really cry after having to throw away her child, that hit a lot of notes. Kurt really shined in that episode (though again it did edge on to the overt with the display of faith). He's lines to Creed, "May God help you brother," shows both his hopelessness and his hope. Just a really good episode.
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    Anyone familiar with this character? Teamed with Daredevil?

    "...a series of women descended from Jesus Christ via his marriage to Mary Magdalene."

    I'm curious how this premise is perceived?
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    This one...?






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    "...split my soul asunder... a task to be done before I can ... give myself up to the eternal rest..."

    The original El Diablo and the new ...

    Chato Santana in the Belle Reve chapel...

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